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One more starter won't mean jack if Lester and Buchholz don't pitch well. While i agree that they should have gotten Marcum, don't you think you're kinda overreacting?
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That depends on the end result.
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I don't think they "whiffed" because that would have entailed them being in on the guy, and they weren't from all indications, which is even more perplexing given the state of their rotation.
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Or be wrong the right way. Either way, points can be presented while maintaining civility and without ridicule.
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The question is about "most athletic" athlete, as in the one with greatest athletic ability. That's a lot more about physical skills than accruing stats. For that reason, a lot of guys like Gretzky and Jordan probably aren't better suited to this discussion than multiple sports players like Bo, Deion and Thorpe, who showed the ability to excel at multiple activities.
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This is a sensible position, and especially that last paragraph. Positions can be presented without mocking the other person's argument or trying to prove one knows everything. Also the victim card which is way overplayed around these parts.
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Thanks.
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Link?
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You didn't provide any evidence about Bo Jackson. You told me to "go check myself". So do the same. Also, the amount of sports you can play at a professional level, for the context of this discussion, is an important measure of ability. Look at the follow-up post by the OP explaining why success in America for American sports should not be the measuring stick. You conveniently ignore this in your quest to always be right. Another thing i don't understand is why you have to be so dismissive and aggressive about everything. You seem to not understand the fact that you can, in fact, be wrong about something. Like in this instance where you're clearly wrong, everyone's telling you you're wrong, but apparently we're all stupid and you're a prodigy of sports analysis. Good times.
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That's because you choose to ignore Olympic performance as part of the argument, even though the level of competition is elite. It's not that hard: Reaching the Majors in three different sports + excelling in the Olympics + having the ability to play professionally basically every sport = Most "athletic" athlete ever. This brings me to another point: You're conveniently bending the original subject. We're not talking about statistical accomplishments. We're talking about overall athletic ability, which in this case, is mostly subjective. Evidence of Thorpe's ability to play basically any sport at an elite/near elite level is found aplenty though.
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Because it's not "rocket science" it should be easy to understand that excelling in two sports simply doesn't compare to excelling in basically all of them in a discussion of this nature.
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This is the key point.
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My argument for LBJ stems from what i've read about his physical abilities, but from the description in this post then Jim Thorpe is your man.
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Where are they? On my searches i have not seen any publication or writer name Bo Jackson over Thorpe. The burden of proof is on you. And what does does Jackson being "better at two major sports" prove? He can't touch Thorpe's ability to excel at basically any and all sports.
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So when you speak of the "better athlete" the one who could be a dual-pro-sport HOF is better than the one who could be a one pro-sport HOF, but win Olympic gold medals and play several other sports professionally? That's your opinion, but i don't share it at all. We can agree to disagree. For what it's worth, Thorpe is considered the best athlete of the past century by a lot of historians and sportswriters. There's a reason for that.
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That's like choosing between having a constant ear and toothache or constantly getting kicked in the balls in by Ronaldo. How about neither?
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Fixed.
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People who know just how competitive the Olympics are? Winning a decathlon is a major achievement. Also, no amount of derogatory comments about his stats won't diminish the fact that he played at the highest level in all three sports.
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Yeah but most of them wouldn't be able to pay a sport at the major league level. Most of the guys mentioned here could do that and compete in an ironman if they conditioned themselves for it.
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Hamilton Is a hell of a bigger question mark than any of the guys the red Sox signed. Also, SoxSport, please do us all a favor and employ logic before you post these things. Napoli is making 5 mill over a year. All he had to do is play to justify the signing. If hehits all his incentives then he's been productive and the signing worthy. Please stop splitting hairs just because.
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Palodios did all the heavy lifting for me, but the numbers show you're the one who's smarter than this. For all the love you show fringe and mediocre players, your disdain for a guy who's a legitimate producer on both sides of the ball Is puzzling.
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I'm sorry, but this Is just wrong.Look at Thorpes career in both amateur and pro sports to see how inaccurate that statement is.
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What's your thing against Victorino? I don't get it.
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That, and you know deep inside that it's a very real possibility that Napoli both outhits and plays more games than Youkilis, even with the hip condition.
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Thorpe played Basketball, Baseball and Football at the Major League level and won olympic gold medals in decathlon and pentathlon ( these were later removed for semi-pro involvement, but he still won 'em). He also competed and excelled in basically every athletic activity imaginable at the amateur level.
