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Then some of that credit goes back to DD, who was certainly instrumental in convincing Henry to loosen the purse strings.

Fair enough, you're probably right. Since we've had similar discussions regarding team building and how Fenway isn't a HR park etc etc, I may have instictively rehashed that old argument. The point, in the end, (since the discussion is about Cherington after all), that his philosophy on building an MLB team was correct, but his execution clearly wasn't.

Fenway Park Home run ranks 2010-2012: 2010: 169 (11th)/(As RHB) 99 (9th out of 34 total split possibilities) 2011: 168 (9th)/ (As RHB) 90 (16th out of 34) 2012: 185 (9th)/ (As RHB) 111 (10th out of 34) For many years before the suck that have been 2014/2015, Fenway graded as above average even as a homerun park in general.

You're missing the point, and by a wide margin. Because the point is arguing the idea that you can't build a Red Sox team around walks and homers. That's what's won the three WS the past decade! The premise, in itself, is incorrect. Just look at the mashing Red Sox teams from 2004 up until Jason Bay left. The blanket statement that you can't build a HR team at Fenway is just false. Specially considering that's the exact type of team that won in 04/07/13 (the 178 HR's from the 2013 team were still a lot.) Also, as I stated (and I could post it, but it's not so conveniently presented) is that, for several years , even after steroid fever started dying down, Fenway played very much up for RH homerun hitters.

The Nationals were widely regarded as WS contenders by pretty much every reputable baseball analyst/outlet. This is why I say he makes stuff up. I want to see just three sources of this nonsense. Three.

Kimbrel didn't beat up his wife though.

To further explain the point about Fenway and Homeruns: In 2013/2014, Fenway had a 2.20% (26th) HR percentage for LHB, and a 2.90% (14th) percentage for right handed batters. The park favors RH homeruns, but absolutely nullifies LH HR power. And if you go back a couple years, when the Sox had a better lineup with more RH power, Fenway played even better as HR park for RHH. Numbers are right there. https://rotogrinders.com/pages/ballpark-factors-49556

He's talking about you, not me. And what more counter do you want than the fact that your logic is terrible? Because it is. You don't get to move the goalposts when assigning blame or credit. It's the same fallacy as "if we take X month out of X player's performance, he had an excellent season". It doesn't work like that. Why is it so hard to say that BC did a good job in 2013, but screwed up in 2014 and 2015? It's really that simple. Making a bunch of stuff up about the dynamics of the front office, or trying to psychoanalize players and FO personnel is an exercise in futility. Stick to the facts. Also, it'd be a lot easier to stick to specific points in arguments if every post you wrote wasn't an encyclopedia. It's not a criticism on posting style, you can post however, whatever and whenever you want, but it forces whoever doesn't want to write a thesis in reply to go for the blanket response. Also, I didn't read Elktonnick's post (and why would I read anything he writes?) but whatever he said, he's wrong, and that's easy to prove, because there's more than enough readily available data that proves that Fenway is a homerdome for RIGHT HANDED HITTERS, which is specifically what I said. So, in summary: Let's stick to the facts, let's not make stuff up and let's use common sense. As a whole, Cherington's regime was not very good, that is a fact. But trying to discount the accomplishment of 2013 by any means available seems unnecesary to me.

And where do Dan Murphy and his 37 million contract play then? SS?

No, it is not. The amount of logical fallacies in that post is enough to drive a legal logic professor to commit seppuku because of the sin his eyes have commited by reading it. Just because BC f***ed some s*** up (and he did) doesn't mean we should deny his accomplishments and make a bunch of stuff up regarding the acquisitions where he missed.

Fenway is also a good park for RHH homeruns, even though it excels as a doubles park. Saying otherwise is asinine, considering how readily available park factors are.

"Expecting". And if that's all he gets with all of the lip service they've given their domestic abuse protocol, the protocol is BS. Best case scenario for the Yanks is a 50-gamer anyway.

Honest question: Why is this such a big deal though? We all know that the criteria for getting numbers retired is "all made up and the points don't matter". It's essentially nothing more than publicity whoring for the team.

Literally nothing of what you state here is a fact. Nothing. A lot of this is hindsight for what happened last season, and could (should actually) improve, and a lot of stuff you're making up. Amazing.

Gumdrops and ice cream clearly, not logic.

But what if they try to set an example like they did with A-Rod and give him a crazy suspension? You know it could happen. There's a reason other teams shied away. This is a calculated gamble by Cashman, and a sensible one if it doesn't work. We'll see.

How can someone who likes to toot his own horn so much about how smart he is be so terrible at logic and make so much s*** up? It's inconceivable. I usually don't put people on ignore here, but goddamn you're insufferable.

Do you even logic? You can't take away the accomplishments (and good fortune) of 2013, then turn back and assign blame for the errors (and honestly, terrible luck) of 2014/2015. Common sense does not work like that. Stop.

Let's see if Chapman actually plays though. It's a very real possibility that he gets a lengthy suspension.

Gordon's getting a 100+ million/5 year deal as a 32-year old. No thanks.

Ben Cherington was an executive with a small-market mindset handling a big-market team. That was the problem. He will find a job running a small-market team looking to rebuild, and he will excel at it.

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I don't buy that. Hanley was wrecking s*** up until he screwed up his shoulder. If healthy, Hanley should be far and away the more productive hitter.

MLB's excuse for this is that no one who is in any way, shape or form affiliated to MLB can actually bet through DraftKings. I don't think that's what makes MLB hypocrites. They're hypocrites because they wanna punish and sully the names of the guys who used PED's when they weren't illegal, and refuse to exonerate Shoeless Joe even after history has proven there was no wrongdoing on his part.

If there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that Farrell is a terrible manager. He's been given a BP full of weapons, yet I can't help but think he'll cost the team a handful of games by using the wrong reliever at the wrong spot.