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That neighborhood seems to be in South America LOL!

Seems like the Cubans are not working out thus far.

Seems like this is going to be the worst rotation not only in the last 10 Y but probably in the history of this franchise.

Bingo! It is not about his approach. It is not about his age. It is not about Farrell. He simply is not a good pitcher.

You said that those pitchers peaked later in his careers. I got it. what I'm saying is that those pitchers you named had pretty good stuff to believe in that improve at their late 20s. Do you really think that he will improve from 5+ to 3.8 just because he is going to use more his sinker? If that were that easy, he could have improved so many weeks ago, don't you think?

I think that youth has nothing to do with him since he doesn't have the stuff of the pitchers you just named. He is not Kershaw, Jose Fernandez, DeGromm, etc.... young top talent with stuff, either. Also I haven't heard or read, that this organization changed his approach/development. It's pure speculation to me, unless you have a back up for this. As I said, while I think that Ben and Farrell have to go, I do not think they are that stupid. If you sign a 80 M arm, the least you can do is to let him perform as he used to. If that approach changed, it is probably because his first 4 starts were going very slow, but once again it is my opinion.

This year he is done. By these days, next year he will be 27 and a half, right?. So.. To me his 30s are around the corner and he has not showed nothing to call him good pitcher.

I wouldn't put Porcello in the same sentence with Scherzer o Lee, Pal. Furthermore do you really see Porcello posting WARs above 5 like Lackey? Really? His 30s are around the corner and he has only one "good" season.

Since when wins are important? Haha I think Bell is kidding.

As I said to SK, every year emerge several pitchers and way cheaper, thing is to pull the right trigger. If you want a 4.4 ERA pitcher, the possibilities are even more every year via trade/FA/farm.

3.7 is a very nice number and I would call it deal as well. On the other hand it sounds like a quantum leap for a guy like Porcello to me, mostly these days. I think that he will post what his career numbers suggests, probably bit worse and at best around 4.2.

Well, as you know, I had been planning that trip for several years but my job and other things did not give me the chance to make it. Fortunately this year I had the opportunity to go and It was really a great experience. I will try to go every year, even if Porcello is on the mound LOL! Regarding Porcello, It doesn't matter what I want or think. As I said, I would have wanted that Porcello proved me wrong. Unfourtunatly what Porcello has shown which is very bad, is actually what I projected, even worse. I think I was the only one around the board who was against this trade, and obviously that extension. That contract is going to be a nightmare. Porcello is a rich man, I do not blame him or his agent at all. As I said, this is on Ben. He should have waited a dozen of games or so before giving him that stupid contract mostly if they were going to change his approach (still speculation) Anyways, every fan doesn't like a specific palyer(s) for whatever reason and it doesn't make them "s*****" fans haha. While I talk about Porcello, U? loves to insult and star s*** up. It's his modus operandi.

Sk, what are the numbers that you are expecting from him to call it deal?

With 20 M/Y you have an horizon of possibilities every year and cheaper for a 4.4/2.5 WAR pitcher via Trades/FA/Farm. Thing is to pull the trigger at the right candidate. This contract is absurd. Numbers are talking by itself.

Oh, it is not a matter of what I want to believe LOL! He is a terrible pitcher. The numbers are there. I was just trying to translate his performance in those splits. Said that, no one will help him from BABIP death since everyone makes him contact. Everyone. Sometimes he will stay semi-alive thanks to his defense but sometimes he will be destroyed make him inconsistent and very difficult to stay in ERAs below 4. Do not believe me? We have unfortunately 4 more years to see my prediction. Time is giving me reason thus far.

And you still projecting those numbers based on one year only. Thus far, 4.4 is closer to 5+ than your 3.5 drum.

1 year doesn't give you signs of anything. Not in baseball, and his "youth" means nothing when you are untalented. I think the results have spoken by itself.

Learning at 80 M?, no thanks. His lessons are very costly to me. He is supposed to be here to make difference. It has not happened this far, just the opposite.

Do you think if some team would be willing to eat his contract? If so, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Yup, it is pure speculation. If you sign a 80 M pitcher, you just let him pitch as he used to. Thing is that he started very slow the season in his first 4 starts reason why I think he changed his approach. In fact, in the very next 4, he settled down (likely he made some adjustments), but after that and till now he has been horrible.

LOL! well played.

IMO last year was a fluke year. He is more likely a 4.5 ERA pitcher, probably little worse. Why? He doesn't have stuff. He will always depend on his defense. This is why WAR loves Ks.

Few weeks ago I said that he probably was trying to improve his K/9. I have no evidence if this is true. I haven't seen or heard that from him or from the pitching staff, pure speculation and conjectures. If the last is true and if they wanted to improve his K/9, wouldn't have been better wait and see how this could have worked out before giving him that extension?. While I think that Ben and Farrell have to go, but I do not think they are that stupid so IMO, the blame and the responsible for his horrible performance is exclusively on Porcello. As I said he has always been a mediocre pitcher.

I'm not happy, I think you have noticed that since day 1 when I just noticed that they not only traded for Cespedes, but gave him that stupid extension. He has always been a mediocre pitcher, it is pure and simple, actually. The only good thing about Porcello is that he has made me win a lot of money this year (as always) and some bets around here.

As I said few years ago, they should have landed Andrew Friedman, now it's too late, he is in LA.