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I was thinking it was closer to Something Awful than /b/.

At worst, they wasted one year of Chris Frail Sale on a guy with upside that flames out. They weren't going to give him a QO at year end and I don't think Sale was going to be bringing back a crazy return at the deadline. I think the trade is fine. Grissom should be better at 2B than any guy they currently have on the 40 man roster. He hits RH and doesn't have a significant split against LHP/RHP. He's younger than Rafaela. After 2 mediocre seasons for Yorke, Sox needed someone else to give the reps to. Many people on here hated Sale UNTIL he was traded apparently. Somehow he's going to be great for ATL, but was going to be utter s*** here. Maybe the Sox can deal Grissom and the same people will lament the loss of him as well?

That sub also posts tweets from Boston_Strong34 everyday that get 500 upvotes. The account also said that it wouldn't have posted the rumor if they had to either delete their account or be banned from the sub if it didn't come to fruition. A lot of the responses OP made to other redditors seemed to be in jest too. I didn't put much stock into that post while I was eating breakfast.

Keith Law: On defense, he has struggled at shortstop and projects to be average to a tick above at second base, although I could see him improving at the keystone once he plays there consistently. From Mass Live: SCOUT 1: “I think he got into the habit of being too fast on some routine plays in the infield and is in need of more game-speed experience. I guess I see him as an offense-first shortstop option who would, ultimately, fit better at second base.” SCOUT 2: “Carries the profile of an offensive second baseman, but his defense can be underwhelming. Still, he should have everyday, run-producing value at Fenway.” SCOUT 3: “I’m luke-warm on him. He really can’t play shortstop, and I see him being limited to either second base or a corner outfield spot. He has contact skills, but the power is not there. For me, not an impact guy.” SCOUT 4: “It’s all about upside and patience with him. He has the talent to be a productive major league bat in the No. 2 hole in need of an OBP upgrade, strike zone (recognition) and walks. Has some defensive versatility and could play at second, short and the outfield, but we had some concerns about his ability to play shortstop. He should be able to hit and play second base. Has a good work ethic and can be tough on himself. Brings some instincts and attitude to develop. He’ll need some time (to develop further) at the major league level, sort of like (Triston) Casas did.”

Grissom '23 AAA: Home 820 OPS Road 999 OPS His home stadium is one of the most pitcher friendly in the International League.

The '22 report on Grissom: Braves Top Prospects | MLB.com WWW.MLB.COM The Official Site of Major League Baseball Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55 Grissom routinely displays outstanding bat-to-ball skills with a very good approach. He has a strong feel for the barrel from the right side of the plate, manages his at-bats well, draws walks and rarely strikes out. He’s short to the ball with relatively simple hitting mechanics and has solid bat speed. The Braves hope he’ll continue to fill out his 6-foot-3 frame and grow into more power as he matures. As solid as Grissom has been at the plate, it’s been less clear where he might belong long-term defensively. He’s still seen more time at shortstop than any other position, but he’s also played a fair amount at third as well as a little at second. He has the arm to stay on the left side of the infield, where he’s more comfortable and while he doesn’t always have silky-smooth actions, he’s a solid defender. If he can’t play short, he might need to raise his power profile a bit to be a fit at the hot corner as a regular.[/i]

21 - 23 Sale: 151 Innings Giolito: 525 Innings Giolito's performance should be within spitting distance of Sale's, but he could lap his innings considering Sale's history.

Heard he has elite velo.

He was playing OF because he was blocked in ATL by Ozzie and Riley. It was the only way he'd get AB's there. If a guy is poor at SS because of a lack of range, his defense will be considered better at 2B. Less is demanded at that position. Also, his numbers at 2B are already better than SS in their small sample sized way going back to '22 (only had 19 G at 2B prior to being called up in '22). 2023 in AAA: SS 967 Fldg% 70 starts, 9 errors 2B 992 Fldg% 31 starts, 1 error

Surgery is almost becoming a rite of passage for young arms these days.

He has notable struggles with offspeed pitching. He k's at a 25% rate.

He's projected to have a 2+ fWAR this year and a 778 OPS. Yeah, he had a -0.7 fWAR in '23, but a 0.7 fWAR in a small sample as a 21 year old in '22. A lot of people are ignoring that sample for some reason. He had a 920 OPS in AAA last year. He's not a complete slouch and moving him off of SS will help his defensive metrics.

Oh boy...

Giolito did get CY votes in 19, 20, 21. His season prior to the ASB: 112 Innings, 3.45 ERA, 4.29 xFIP. Expecting Sale to do anything but get hurt is a lot at this point in time.

His defense sucked at SS in his short stint last year, but he it was already known that he needed to be moved to 2b and his range will be better there. He’ll be better defensively than Valdez was. Big time prospect who was blocked by Albies.

Rotation is a little better. 2b is a little better. OF is worse. Agreed about same on paper. Add another starter and Teoscar and it’s a better team.

Bitch about frail Sale while he’s here. Bitch about the return not being great enough when he’s dealt. Sunrise. Sunset.

Yeah, they should have just held onto Sale for one more year and 120 innings rather than trying to get a decent prospect for him.

Sox pitching system is a reclamation project in and of itself.

Yes.

Should be better than last year depending on health.

Luzardo is a nice 2 as I said. A pitcher like Cole is an ace.

16M is too much for him IMO.

Gio has the higher ceiling. Wacha will undoubtedly see IL time. Wacha just had that nice early season stretch that some people popped boners over.

Miami has a rough farm system right now and needs a little of everything. Wonder if they’d rather a grab bag of 5 guys with good ceilings and an MLB starter (Wikelman, Perales, Yorke, Bleis and Crawford).