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Lock Jimy Williams in NOW .I demand it !!!!!!! I will Haunt you . Honestly, Jimy is the only former sox manager still alive that deserves a second chance until Tito is no longer gainfully employed.

It's really, 1 year of Betts plus the value of a QO pick versus the value of Verdugo through his arb years. I think Wong and Downs were just a bonus at that point.

What if it was like the 2 Pac hologram performance at Coachella?

There's more to life than just WHIP, which is why i showed O Swing and Z Swing %'s combined with MPH loss. He just didn't have the same stuff.

100%.

That doesn't make much sense. Pedroia was already locked up and Papi was nearly done. All the best players were young (Xander, Mookie).

Disagree.

Like Mookie?

In low leverage situations, his WHIP, ERA, FIP all spike to second highest of his career, but you think he could still close? All his pitches had dropped over 2 MPH since his 2013 season. O Swing % was lowest in 7 years. Z swing % was highest of his career. He was no longer fooling anyone. Even with pinpoint command, that's much more hittable.

So they needed to trade for pitchers like Kimbrel then?

From Jan 2019: “Would we get another reliever? Our budget is below that,” Henry said. “But last year we exceeded our budget and we went into spring training with a $200 (million) budget. We came out of spring training with $230 (million) and I think we closed at $239 or $237 (million), somewhere in that range. So you look at what your needs are and we have constraints, all of us have constraints. But it’s not necessarily the CBT that is your constraint. It’s how much money are you willing to lose.” The Red Sox lost money in 2018 on an operational basis, industry sources said, which includes payroll and tickets and merchandise and the postseason. It does not include the money NESN makes — and the ownership group also owns NESN — nor the appreciation of the franchise value.” “Generally, we hope not to,” Henry said. “But I would say more years often than not we probably have. But that's more of a concern I think than the CBT. So every other team factors in tv deals, but the Sox do not? With 3 extra post season series to charge tickets for, the Red Sox "lost money" in 2018. I don't buy it.

I don't remember this. Do you have a link?

Before the Kimbrel trade in 2015, the Sox bullpen was 20th in bWAR. 21st in save %. 11 highest in BS. They weren't a good pen. Well below average.

Yes, that's the joke. We already discussed that the original Dick Williams is safely socially distanced 6 ft from everyone...

That's a huge "if." If he does, you try to extend him during the year or give him the QO after.

And I still think it's likely he signs with the Sox for 365. Maybe he doesn't? We do know that the Sox didn't want to sign him for 365. What difference will that 65M be for the Sox over the next decade? IDK.

Seems like having a "hardline stance" is not a negotiation for Henry.

Is .500 "bad" or "average"?

But then what about the year after? Kimbrel was available in 2016, maybe not in 2017.

It was a joke about the Dick Williams discussion earlier in the thread.

And Uehara and Kimbrel both pitched about the same in 2016.

For one year? Maybe. For 2017, nope.

Henry: 300! Mookie: 400? Henry: I'm walking out and will no longer negotiate!

They love to sign bad contracts and complain about it later (CC, Pablo, Hanley, Eovaldi?, Sale?)

Kimbrel was a 3x All Star from 2016 - 2018. Uehara retired two years after Kimbrel was signed. They needed a longer term solution in the closer spot. After the Kimbrel trade, Uehara had 9 saves for the remainder of his career. Kimbrel had 31, 35 and 42 for the Sox.