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Born into it, but one of my first Sox related memories was Yaz's last game.

They have had sustained success for the past 20 years and have spent a s*** ton. It's not like they've all of a sudden become a team that has no shot to make the playoffs like the Mariners. If Sale and ERod come back healthy and they sign Bauer, this team is competing with the Yanks and Rays for the division.

What situation? They could have kept Betts and reset the cap later on. They just didn't deem Betts worthy of his payday. They said they were willing to pay him 300M. If he said yes, would they just have said "whoops, sorry, we didn't really mean it?"

That will go on my Xmas list.

They could lead the league in spending every year and still make money. They don't. They have the capacity, they don't have the will. It's fine. I don't think they should automatically spend as much as possible. It was a CHOICE to not re-sign HOF bound Mookie Betts. They could have kept them if they wanted to. They didn't want to.

And I highly recommend the "Bill Lee: Baseball Odyssey" documentary about him barnstorming in Cuba.

They have the capacity. They don't have the will.

Well, it pushes the pick further down the road when you need a talent infusion now. Also, maybe the QO changes with the CBA?

Agreed.

The idea that is due to the time constraints of travel and having to practice (while not getting paid for it) prohibits players from even having a second job. Frankly, paying every MiLBer even $30k should be doable for these teams. They are planning on reducing the amount of leagues and teams anyway.

A high second rounder has a little value, probably more than just one year of Bauer.

Well, I just read an article about how the Sox ratings declined more than any other team in MLB. Maybe they would want to dump money on him for one year? IDK. I'm not sure I'd want him for 8 years either. I'd rather pay him more over a shorter term like 5 years.

No idea.

If someone says "I'll give you 1/35" maybe he takes it? Shouldn't be the Sox though.

That writer seems like a dope. Not for the rumor, but for some of the stuff he wrote in there.

Gammons believes the next contract will be for 1 year. I don't buy it though.

@ZekeJMiller WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court is allowing a class-action lawsuit to proceed from minor league baseball players who allege they are being paid less than minimum wage.

Would Cora even want to go to the Tigers? That doesn't seem to be an org that is set up to win anytime soon.

Didn't want to keep their interim manager?

Lee derived considerable pleasure from the Red Sox victory in the 2004 World Series, and even more residual pleasure from the ALCS comeback over the team he hated most, the New York Yankees, the team he once termed “brownshirts” and “Nazis” and “thugs.” Lee watched the games with his wife from a bar in Hawaii. Also present were a collection of Yankees fans that he said shriveled up with each successive New York loss, “like testicles in a cold Nova Scotia spring.” He couldn’t resist adding the spurious news that George Steinbrenner planned to move the Yankees to the Philippines where they would play under the new name “The Manila Folders.” It's a shame we won't get him in the booth for a few series. Lee is a national treasure.

Lee was intensely loyal to his teammates and naively expected the same from management. When friend Bernie Carbo was traded on June 15, 1978, Lee was so angry that he stomped out of the Red Sox clubhouse the following day, shouting, “Today just cost us the pennant.” (The team had a six-game lead at the time, and Carbo had only 47 at-bats.) Lee angrily announced that he was retiring from baseball. He was in a rough patch at the time, taking two losses while having 16 runs scored against him in the prior three games (only six of them earned). A day later, Lee returned (sporting a T-shirt that read “Friendship first, competition second.”) That surely didn’t create a positive impression with Don Zimmer. When fined a day’s pay of roughly $500 for the Carbo walkout, he asked if they could make it $1,500. “I’d like to have the whole weekend,” he explained. Walking away from a first-place team, even for just a day, was a strong statement. From July 15 through August 19, though, Lee seemed to fall apart, losing seven straight decisions. On closer inspection, one sees that in five of the seven losses, he gave up no more than three earned runs. The July 30 game was the most dispiriting defeat, a 2-1 complete-game loss to the Kansas City Royals at Fenway Park. Zimmer’s refusal to start Lee against the Yankees in September was a huge subplot in the collapse of the Red Sox. Lee appeared in two of the “Boston Massacre” games, but both times it was in relief. In the September 8 game, he threw seven innings in relief, allowing the Yankees just one earned run in a game New York won 13-2. On September 10, his last appearance of the season, Lee closed out the game with 2 1/3 innings of scoreless relief; the Yankees won nonetheless, 7-4. Lee was in the doghouse the rest of the season. One more win at any point along the way and the Red Sox never would have had to play New York in the infamous single-game playoff. Thinking back thoughtfully on Pedro tossing Zimmer.

In his recently published book, "Zim: A Baseball Life," Zimmer calls Lee a "jerk" and says he is the only man he has ever met in baseball that he wouldn't let into his home. In 1978, when Lee pitched for the Red Sox, he was frequently critical of Zimmer. In an interview with ESPN Radio Wednesday, Lee wondered how Zimmer could take shots at him and said, in a characteristic Lee rant, that Zimmer purposely lost the '78 pennant race to the Yankees and now has a lifetime job with George Steinbrenner as the Yankees' bench coach as a result of this "fix." Zimmer, when told of the comments, went ballistic after a victory over the Royals Wednesday, calling Lee "a scumbag" numerous times. "How can I take shots at him?" Zimmer said. "He's got guts saying that. I'm full of bullets. That's all he did was take shots at me." During the late 1970s, Lee referred to Zimmer as "Gerbil," and he and his friends on the Red Sox, including Ferguson Jenkins and Bernie Carbo, mocked Zimmer. Lee lost seven in a row at one point during the '78 season and was taken out of the rotation by Zimmer. In a key September game against the Yankees, Zimmer bypassed Lee and pitched rookie Bobby Sprowl, who lost the final game of the "Boston Massacre" series. Zimmer insisted, in his book and to reporters Wednesday, that he never let his personal feelings toward Lee dictate his decisions. In 1975, when he was third base coach, Zimmer said he urged manager Darrell Johnson to pitch Lee in Game 2 of the World Series."He's the biggest scumbag," Zimmer said. "What do I care what Bill Lee says? Bill Lee, scum of the earth."

I could see the Mets wanting him. Maybe AZ dumps Lovullo?

Well, Workman did get traded early in the season and only pitched 6.2 innings. Triggs got 6 innings in his first two appearances because they wanted to torture us with him starting at one point.

http://news.soxprospects.com/2020/10/red-sox-2020-fall-instructional-camp.html Fall instructional league roster is set: Pitchers (32) RHP Jacinto Arredondo, NDFA '20 RHP Eduard Bazardo, IFA '14, A+/AA RHP Brock Bell, 7th rd. '19, Rk/SS-A RHP Brayan Bello, IFA '17, A RHP Bradley Blalock, 32nd rd. '19, Rk LHP Brendan Cellucci, 12th rd. '19, SS-A RHP Kutter Crawford, 16th rd. '17, A+/AA/injured RHP Nathanael Cruz, IFA - '19 RHP Osvaldo De La Rosa, IFA '18, SS-A RHP Jordan DiValerio, NDFA '20 LHP Shane Drohan, 5th rd. '20 RHP Juan Daniel Encarnacion, IFA '18, DSL RHP Durbin Feltman, 3rd rd. '18, AA RHP Wilkelman Gonzalez, IFA '18, DSL LHP Jay Groome, 1st rd. '16, Rk/SS-A (rehab) RHP Gabriel Jackson, IFA '18, DSL RHP Chih-Jung Liu, IFA '19 RHP Blake Loubier, 13th rd. '19, Rk RHP Bryan Mata, IFA '16, A+/AA LHP Chris Murphy. 6th rd. '19, SS-A RHP Yusniel Padron-Artiles, 22nd rd. '18, A/SS-A RHP AJ Politi, 15th rd. '18, A+ RHP Aldo Ramirez, IFA '18, SS-A LHP Jorge Rodriguez, IFA '17, Rk/SS-A RHP Chase Shugart, 12th rd. '18, A RHP Dylan Spacke, 21st rd. '19, SS-A RHP Jake Thompson, 4th rd. '17, A+/injured RHP Brian Van Belle, NDFA '20 RHP Jacob Wallace, Traded from COL '20, SS-A RHP Thaddeus Ward, 5th rd. '18, A/A+ LHP Jeremy Wu-Yelland, 4th rd. '20 RHP Ryan Zeferjahn, 3rd rd. 19, SS-A Catchers (8) Roldani Baldwin, IFA '13, Rk/SS-A (rehab) Kole Cottam, 4th rd. '18, A/A+ Alex Erro, 17th rd. '19, SS-A Jaxx Groshans, 5th rd. '19, SS-A Alan Marrero, 8th rd. '16, A Oscar Rangel, IFA '18, Rk Stephen Scott, 10th rd. '19, SS-A Connor Wong, Traded from LAD '20, A+/AA Infielders (12) Brainer Bonaci, IFA '18, DSL Cameron Cannon, 2nd rd. '19, SS-A Triston Casas, 1st rd. '18, A/A+ Pedro Castellanos, IFA '15, A+ Antoni Flores, IFA '17, SS-A Brandon Howlett, 21st rd. '18, A Blaze Jordan, 3rd rd. '20 Matthew Lugo, 2nd rd. '19, Rk/SS-A Nick Northcut, 11th rd. '18, SS-A Hudson Potts, Traded from SD '20, AA Ceddanne Rafaela, IFA '17, Rk/SS-A Nick Yorke, 1st rd. '20 Outfielders (10) Darel Belen, IFA '19, DSL Juan Chacon, IFA '19 Wil Dalton, 8th rd. '19, SS-A Nick Decker, 2nd rd. '18, SS-A Tyler Esplin, 7th rd. '17, A/A+ Bryan Gonzalez, IFA '18, DSL Gilberto Jimenez, IFA '17, SS-A Eduardo Lopez, IFA '18, DSL Jeisson Rosario, Traded from SD '20, A+ Eduardo Vaughan, IFA '18, DSL Seabold will be playing golf.