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Are those numbers right? He got 1 year and 2M extra for signing with the Tigers?

Former Red Sox catcher Victor Martinez has agreed to a 4-year, $50 million deal with the Detroit Tigers. http://www.boston.com/

Here's a quick look at the top 5 SP that were available at the time and what they have done since signing their respective deals. Barry Zito- 7/126M, 40-57, 4.47 ERA 767.3 IP Gil Meche- 5/55M, 29-39, 4.60 ERA 616.3 IP Ted Lilly- 4/40M, 54-38, 3.66 ERA 781 IP Jeff Suppan- 4/42M 32-42, 4.98 ERA 645 IP Dice-K- 6/52M(you can debate the posting fee all you want, but as it has no bearing on his AAV, which in turn has no effect on the Luxury Tax. So it does not effect the Sox operating budget like it would if they signed him to a 6 year 102M contract)- 46-27, 4.18 ERA 585 IP He is not as over paid as Zito. Suppan is a RP now. Meche is struggling to stay healthy. Lilly has been the best of the group. But he's been pitching in a fairly weak NL Central for the better part of his contract. The Red Sox got at the time the 2nd best SP out of the top 5 for the fifth highest AAV amongst the group. And out of the 5, Dice-K probably has the best upside over the next 2 seasons. I would say Lilly. But I'm holding his age against him in this particular comparison

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5838600 Votto wins by a large margin(443 points 31 first place votes) over Albert Pujols(279 points 1 first place vote) and Carlos Gonzalez(240 points 0 first place votes). I'm surprised Votto won by so much. I believe he is the deserving party. But I figured Pujols would get more 1st place votes and Cargo would at least get a couple.

Wow that's awesome. Good for him. ould love to see him make it all the way back. Would be a wonderful story. But if he can't, at least the out look for a normal life is looking positive. And that is what really matters.

Dammit Palo, I just gave you credit for using logic in the other thread and then I read this gem . How would the Rangers not be contenders if ultimately lose Lee to the Yankees and because of that trade for Zack Grienke? I think one could argue Grienke could be as good or better then Lee over the course of Lee's next contract. Lee, while still in his prime is "over the hill" so to speak. Not that he's bad or washed up, but he's on his way out f his prime. Grienke is entering it.

HE'S NOT COMING BACK TO BOSTON!() It would prevent them from getting Agon, and that would be dumb. The Sox put a limit of 4/52M on Beltre. That offer has already been trumped by one team, and I'm sure there will be other offers. Beltre was a one year fling. It was all it was meant to be.

I think they are much better off if they go and trade for Zack Grienke. Grienke(13.5 AAV, 15-18M AAV for extension?) - prospects > 32 year old Lee at 20-25MAAV for 5-7 years IMO.

I like the looks of that. But I read somewhere(if you want I will search for the article) the reason they were going after Upton is because they didn't want to give Crawford or Werth the 100M contract they are seeking. But in the end if they want to they should be able to afford it. And with Ortiz(12.5M), Drew(15M), and Papelbon(11M(estimate)) coming off the books, they will have plenty of money to budget Agon in. Which is the plan I believe. It's why I have been saying there is no chance Beltre comes back long term at 3B. That and the offers he is getting. Billy Beane seems to have a man crush on him. And also one of the reasons they me be reluctant to go more then 3-4 years for V-Mart if they think he's going to have to play 1B or DH. I think they will be "Yankee aggressive" in the Agon negotiations. To what extent I'm not sure, but I'm estimating a 6/120M to 7/180M offer from the Sox. And I don't know how many other teams could match that. Possibly LAA, but not if they drop 100M+ on Crawford this off season. It's going to be an interesting 12 months for the Red Sox. And that's really how you have to look at it. And no get to frantic if they don't make unnecessary moves right now.

The post was a joke. Apparently your brain power is not vast enough to comprehend simple sentences. It would seem if there is any waste, it would be the oxygen you are depriving everyone else of. I just don't think Rothschild is a good PC. If they Sox had hired him, I would have reacted the same.

This is great. Rothschild has been butchering pitchers in Chicago for years. CC should need some kind of major surgery by June()

Beltre already has a 5 year 64M offer on the table. The Sox have already said they won't be going above 4/52. Beltre is gone.

I know it's him just throwing something out there. But if the Sox are really looking to move Papelbon, Soria would be a great replacement. Now his cost is a whole other consideration. Maybe they could swing the return for Papelbon + one of their own trade chips to get a deal done?

Glad to see Felix won. Also nice to see some manor of the game/voting evolving.

F... I think he would be great for Baseball. And the Astors seem like a team that the owners might allow Cuban to purchase. No sure why he would want the Rangers and not be interested in the Astros?

I want Jeter nowhere near SS for the Red Sox. Or 3B for that matter. He is not worth the $. This sounds like a move for a desperate organization. I don't see the Sox as that. They lost viewers last season because some casual fans don't want to watch the Red Sox AAA team. Viewership will be back up next season. They don't need to add Jeter to do that. 10 years ago it would have been the steal of the century. Now it would be like marrying the home coming queen from your high school after shes had 4 kids with 4 different baby's daddy. You can say your married to the homecoming queen, but shes got a bulging waist line and not many good miles left on her. Plus now your stuck paying for her 4 little bastards to boot. No thanks to Jeter.