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The two guys they got aside from Rutherford have limited ceilings. If Rutherford hits his ceiling, then it works for both sides. I think this deal sets up an offseason Betances deal

Chicks dig the long ball. The sox are a pitching first team without a fan icon like Papi. For the casual fan, sitting for 3 hours on uncomfortable seats in the hot weather and spending over $100 a ticket isn't worth it to watch a 3-2 game

Flores and Rivera aren't worth it. Nunez is a speedy contact hitter who would be an upgrade offensively, but he's not much defensively. There will be some bidding on him due to his high AVG and speed combo. Harrison will cost a lot to pry away, but he can be your 3b for awhile.

A so-so return? You're high, aren't you?

You guys are still the favorites. I just like how this sets us up for next season. With Darvish a FA target on the hill and our offensive guys getting their feet wet, we are primed to hit a year early. With the lockdown pen and potentially a solid rotation, this team could be the favorites as early as 2018. We arrived a bit sooner than expected, but i don't think this is our year

Frazier is a lot better than Rutherford

His problems have always been the walks. He's avoided those this year. He's 27 with closer stuff. Yeah, maybe he loses his command, but he doesn't get hit at all. He's for real, the question is, is he 1.40 FIP good. Not sure, but he's been one of the best relievers in baseball this year. We got him and a solid closer who is still in his prime and under contract for next year. Frazier could be released and this is great value. We dealt from far down the chain of our prospect list to make this deal. This barely dents our farm

Cash added two high strikeout arms in the pen with closer capability. If Frazier wasn't in this deal, it's still solid value for the prospects we dealt. If Frazier gives us anything, then great

You didn't even mention Kahnle

It made our bullpen much longer and gave us an option at CIF who should significantly outplay the production we've received from said location

Games will be won in the 6-9 as our offense will likely wear down non ace starters, even if they're performing well. I love that this trade isn't just for 2017

Well we couldn't get starters so shortening the game is the way to do

Slav, you keep talking about overpaying for Frazier. We got two lights out relievers with multiple years of control with him. We didn't make that trade just for Frazier, he was a throw in IMO

Frazier's cost in this deal was minimal. Rutherford and Clarkin were dealt to get Kahnle and DRob

Or how good Robertson has been. Kahnle is arguably the biggest get in this deal. He's performing better than Betances and his FIP is down in the 1.40 range. When he was coming up, the rave reports on his stuff were there. Sits high 90s in the pen, touches 100. Lights out slider. No command. Hence why he was unprotected a few years back. It took him a few years, but now his walk rate is awesome and his K rate is insane. Add that to a high Gb% and you have a dominant reliever who doesn't give up homers or walks and strikes out people all the time. Plus, he'll be arb eligible for the first time next year

You understand that the high price was paid for the relievers and not just for Frazier, right?

Your offense is not ready for the prime time and will require your pitching staff to have literally no margin for error when the playoffs roll around

I wouldn't be surprised to be totally honest, but selling low on him is assinine. If I were Cash, I'd roll with what we've got. If Betances is the price for Gray, I'd hold. Betances is a shutdown, lights out reliever. Gray is a former ace in a small body with a history of injuries. If I had to deal Dellin to get an ace level starter, I'd hold out for more It sounds like we're going to bring Green, Warren, Holder or Smith to the rotation and see what happens.

Cash shortened the game to 3 innings if he wants to come playoff time. This team is deadly in the pen and if Betances and Chap right their ship, we will be much better due to this deal

Green, Warren, Kahnle, Robertson, Betances, Chapman. I guess 3 innings

We can shorten games to 4 innings if we have to, and assuming Betances and Chapman return to form

You guys don't have to counter NY. We still didn't address our biggest deficiency which you guys have in spades. But we did just get better. I think I finally understand the rationale for going pen. Even with our SP woes, we've blown more saves than any team in baseball. We have 9 more blown saves than Boston and their surprising pen. Imagine if we just converted those 9? We'd be running away with the division. We got rid of the biggest culprit in Clippard. The guy hasn't pitched in a high leverage situation in a month and he had 5! Granted, we just brought in Kahnle who has 4, but with the depth in this pen, we can afford to have two teams of bridges and closers and limit fatigue.

We got a ton of value for the guys we dealt. We gave up talent, but all are blocked or have been passed in the pecking order of our deep system. Kahnle is the gem of the deal. He's got huge stuff with big strikeout capability and is under control for awhile. Robertson has been really good for awhile and protects Chap. Frazier has been great away from home and he's been really good since June 1. I like our deal, but I'm confused as to why we focused so hard on pen when our pen was already deep. We need starting pitching

Yankees deal Tito Polo, Blake Rutherford, Ian Clarkin and Tyler Clippard for Tommy Kahnle, David Robertson, and Todd Frazier. This is a weird deal for us. We got great value, but I'm not sure why we made this deal. Frazier was effectively a throw in who has been playing much better of late. He's a rental who probably slots in at 1b against righties and 3b against lefties. He does make our lineup deeper for 2017 Tommy Kahnle has three years of control after this one. We drafted him and Colorado took him in the Rule V four years ago. He's got big velocity and has immense K numbers. He was looking to be the closer in Chicago when Robertson got dealt. David Robertson has one year of control left and hasn't slowed down. He's been a mid tier closer in Chicago and is having a damn good year. We gave up some good talent, although nothing our big league squad will miss. Rutherford was our 1st rounder last year. He's holding his own in A ball, but as a corner OFer he's shown next to no power. He's been passed in the organization at the same level by Estevan Florial who is also a year younger. The hit tool is plus and he looks to eventually become a high average LFer with a good eye and some speed. I think we sold high on him, especially in a system where we are incredibly deep in the OF. Tito Polo was acquired in the Ivan Nova deal last year. He's a short statured OFer capable of playing CF. He has plus speed and has showed more with the hit tool this year than expected. He made it to AA this year. Ian Clarkin was one of our three first rounders in 2013 (Judge and Jagielo being the others). The lefty has been slowed by injuries but has finally put together a healthy season in high A. He's been very good. He was drafted with the hope of gaining more velocity, but with his injuries, he's effectively become a "crafty lefty" who tops out in the low 90s. While Ian as a lefty with a great curve, he's got big league back of the rotation potential, but he's blocked in this deep system. In terms of value, we got great value for 3 prospects who are blocked in the system. I love the Kahnle reaquisition. DRob gives us another closer option with experience here should Chapman and Betances not get their s*** together. We now have Warren, Chapman, Betances, Green, Kahnle, and Robertson in our pen for this year and next. That's a dominant pen. Frazier has been much better since June 1 and adds depth to our lineup but is effectively a rental

Our offense has come back to earth. Our new kids are hitting while the old kids aren't. It's the growing pains I expected. This club isn't ready for prime time this year. Next year, we will be