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It just means that they couldn't sell the other guy on the wrong guy so we could keep the right guy. There is nothing defensible about being out-negotiated by the other guy. Keeping Lars and losing Rizzo adds up as a negative. I'm not lamenting. I'm just evaluating instead of rationalizing.
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Maybe we let the wrong FO guy go. Is that your point? Either way, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and keeping Lars while trading Rizzo has been some bad pudding.
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Okay okay, but you really just push your own buttons. You take every criticism of the FO moves too personally. Admitting that they have made mistakes is not a condemantaion of them and it doesn't in any way reflect on you. We discuss the Red Sox every day here mostly in a cordial and civil manner. None of those FO guys would discuss anything with either one of us or have a drink with us, so they are not worth the loyalty of either of us.
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At one point Lars was the Red Soz #1 rated prospect (2009) and he was in the top 10 a couple of years. Rizzo was never higher than the Sox #7 prospect.
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Sure I can. It's their decision and it is their performance that gets evaluated-- not my opinion. If I like a player and he stinks, I don't try to tell people how good he is because I liked him. I say that I was wrong about the guy. You have used the strawman argument here. You have made the following assumptions: that Rizzo would have struggled as much in Fenway as he did at Petco and in the Cubs pathetic lineup and that I would have complained about him. You have used those hypothetical assumptions to conclude that I have no right to complain about getting rid of Rizzo. Assume that I grant you your strawman hypotheticals and admit that as a complainer and critic of prospects (not true by the way) that I never have the right to criticize the FO for trading prospects. Assuming that all of your faulty premises, hypotheticals and other mullarkey that you have splattered in this thread are right, none of it disproves the fact that they made the wrong move keeping Lars and having him higher on their list than they did Rizzo. It doesn't matter what you think my agenda is (and you are wrong about that too), they botched it by keeping the wrong first baseman.
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My recollection is that Lars was the more highly rated prospect, so why would they turn him down.
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We would have demolished the Philly staff with the possible exception of Hamels. Those guys stunk.
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Carlos Gomez is 6'3" and 220 lbs. Bradley is about 5'9". He will never develop the power that Gomez has. Gomez has more offensive tools -- power and great speed and base stealing ability.
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I am not judging the trade. I am judging their ability to judge and develop their own talent. They traded the best ballplayer that has come through their system in recent years at a time when other teams were drooling over Lars. You are arguing in circles. First, you said that that Rizzo would have been booed out of town. When it was pointed out, that Fenway fans don't ride their players too hard you shifted to saying that the fans can't complain about trading a prospect thjat took 3 years to develop when they bash all of the prospects anyway. When it was pointed out that we could complain about trading the wrong prospects your response is that we wanted AGon and you should judge the trade by who we got. You are spinning so fast that I am getting dizzy. Who we got in that trade is irrelelvant to the criticism that I am leveling at them. BTW, AGon was such a great catch that we didn't even keep him for 2 seasons. The criticism is that the Red Sox coveted Lars more than they did Rizzo and that was a mistake. It would have worked out much better if they had traded Lars instead if Rizzo for AGon.
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It is their job to know who the duds are. You keep the studs and trade the duds. It's like"buy low sell high " in investing. That's what the good ones get paid to do. Sure it is difficult, but if your money is on the line, you don't want to hear excuses. AGon is not even part of the discussion. The FO foul up was that they chose to keep Lars and assorted other duds and instaed moved Rizzo. Bad move. Bad decision. There is no counter argument.
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So, we can't complain that the FO held onto WMB and Lars Anderson instead of Rizzo? I don't think that you have a solid basis for that one. Can you sell that to yourself?
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Are you saying that the FO is too impatient?
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Bridge year translates into: We are worried that we are going to stink, and we'd like some more time to get our sh*t together.
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Even taking that into account, there was a lot of patience for Bradley at Fenway and in the media. They didn't even address whether he should be sent down until after he was sent down. And what effect could fans that don't go to Fenway have on him?
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Fenway isn't a really big place for boo-birds for the hometown guys. Bradley Jr. had probably the worst full season that I have seen a Sox player have offensively, and he did not hear too many boos. There was a lot of patience for the kid. Plus, I think people felt bad for him. Middlestinks also didn't suffer through much negative fan reaction. I doubt that Rizzo's growing pains would have been made more painful by the Fenway faithful.
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FO definitely bet on the wrong horse keeping the guys they did and moving Rizzo.
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The starters for the 2008 Phillies were: Cole Hamels Jamie Moyer Brett Myers Kyle Kendrick Adam Eaton Joe Blanton Other than Hamels, they were a bucket of garbage. Unfortunately, we gave away the pennant to the Rays that season and did not get a chance to face them. Our hitters would have pummeled that staff.
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And neither would Pete Rose.
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LOL! Even in 1980's things were still simple-- almost 10 years into free-agency. I found my ticket stubs to Yaz Day in 1983 -- baseline reserved seats cost $6. The scalpers made a killing that day -- I paid $15 each. LOL!
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It's a stupid term that was meant to alleviate bad feelings about a down year, and it backfired on him.
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I am not familiar with the stats, but my recollection is that the 2008 Phillie Championship team had a bludgeoning offense and very so-so pitching.
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Some said 2012 was a bridge year. Some said last year was bridge year. Now, they are saying that 2015 will be a bridge year. I guess that Boston is the Venice of baseball in the New England.
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Ignore makes life much easier here when UN is here.
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Bard had some kind of arm, but then the wheels came off. It was a shame.
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Welcome Kimmi!
