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This is a reasonable position. Change a few of your reasonable assumptions as to why they might be improved and make an opposite but still reasonable assumption and the analysis ends up somewhere between "about the same" and markedly worse, which is where I believe that Pumpsie and others are on this issue, but they get ridiculed for it. I'm not quite sure why, because their analysis leaves them somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, which is where you are. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that you are the one heaping ridicule. I am not saying that at all. You are the only person who took the time to try to make the case that the 2012 pitching will be improved and you came out in the middle somewhere leaning toward improvement. When all the blather is boiled away, this staff is about the same as last years. If injuries and unexpected performance occurs it will be markedly worse. If we have good health and some break out performances, it will be markedly better. There's a lot of common ground in the opinion in this thread, but people are too busy bickering.
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This may make you feel better about things, but I don't feel better about it. The Yankees like the Sox needed pitching. A lot of people here are willing to trade Youk -- an All Star cleanup hitter-- to get a pitcher. The Yankees filled their hole by trading a prospect-- a very good hitting prospect-- but still a prospect-- and he's a DH prospect. I don't feel good about this.
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Even after the defection of Papelbon, the Red Sox were positioned such that a few acquisition (nothing too splashy) would reassert the Sox as a dominant force in the AL. Via a trade, we replaced our closer with a pitcher with great stuff but questionable health. We also added a late inning reliever in Melancon. We are one solid starting pitcher away from materially improving our pitching over the 2011 version. We are still waiting. Today, the Yankees solidified their status as a dominant team. They went from having a staff with an ace, an emerging ace in Nova and several question marks to a staff that is 7 Starters deep at the major league level with the killer Bees waiting in the wings. Benny Boy just got a lesson from Cashman. Hopefully, he is a fast learner and responds appropriately.
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Write the damn check already, Ben!!!!
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The Phillies and the Yankees have more depth in their rotations than the Sox do. If the Yankees lose CC, they still have a solid 5 guys with Nova, Pineda, Kuroda, Garcia and Hughes with AJ for depth. Edit : They can survive losing one of their top 3. We can't.
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I'm hoping that montero hits .360 next year, but that will not change the fact that the Yankees just filled a hole for many years to come with a kid with a lot of upward potential. It pisses me off much more than the Kuroda signing.
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Pineda is a huge kid who can throw 96-97 consistently. He's a big horse and he's only 22, and he already made an All Star team. I think the kid has quite a future.
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You are getting off the point of the post that I replied to. You brought up the philosophy of not trading a superstar position player for a pitcher and compared it to the Montero deal. I don't see the application. Montero is a prospect, not a superstar position player. I didn't bring Lavarnway into the discussion.
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I guess this is the big news today for the Red Sox. Ben and Cherries has probably worked all week crunching the numbers on this deal.
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I think you are probably right. The prices are not going to come down.
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He's done basically nothing. We are so news starved that we got giddy over getting a guy who throws 40 innings a year with a bad elbow to replace Papelbon. He got a guy Melancon from the Stros and a catcher that can't hit .200 in Shoppach. This is really like a Mets off season, and they are on the fringe of bankruptcy.
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To sum up the off season thus far. The Yankees have added two pitchers to their rotation-- Pineda and Kuroda. The Red Sox have replaced their closer Papelbon with an injury prone Bailey and added Melancon. I don't think we have closed the 7 game gap in the standings.
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Money talks and ******** is just s***.
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f*** me!!
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He couldn't throw you out if you were carrying me on your back and they pitched out.
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Dumpster Dipshits!!
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The danger is that his buddy Beckett talks Bobby V into keeping Tek as his personal catcher.
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On the bright side, my Sox tickets arrived in the mail today. Because I had to purchase Sox Pax of 4 games, I have a number of tickets for games that I will not be using. All seats are infield grandstand. I'm not looking for a profit -- just face value plus the $2.50/ticket convenience charge. If anyone is interested, PM me and I'll tell you what games are available.
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Mariners close to trade for "young, impact hitter"
a700hitter replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Other Baseball
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Mariners close to trade for "young, impact hitter"
a700hitter replied to jacksonianmarch's topic in Other Baseball
You just got an All Star pitcher for a DH that still has rookie status. You should be loving this trade. We should have traded them Lavarnway for the guy.
