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That, we can agree on.
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getting one of those guy would greatly strengthen the rotation and the bullpen. It is what we are all hoping for.
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And what about Aceves in the 4 spot? And what will the bullpen be like without Papelbon, Bard and Aceves? Do you see a decrease in the pen or are you also optimistic about Albers, Melancon and Bailey?
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I could see that as a possibility, but I wouldn't be happy with it. I was counting on Doubront as a depth option. If he is in the rotation, the other pigs like Silva and Cook are depth options?
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The plan is for them to compete for rotation spots and they are probably favored to win those spots. If they are in the rotation, they need to be replaced in the bullpen.
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A psychiatric evaluation should be ordered.
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Yeah you are missing something. We lost our 3 best relievers from the 2011 pen-- Papelbon, Bard and Aceves. Bard and Aceves are going to new roles in the starting rotation with no track record for success. Two relievers have been obtained to replace those 3, and they are not as good as any of the 3 being replaced.
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We're still waiting to hear from the so-called optimists on this. As predicted, they got nothing.:thumbdown
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He'd cover more ground in RF lying down than running around after fly balls.
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[as of January 12 at 1:49pm CST]
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^ This should be the strategy.
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Forget about explaining why our 2012 pitching as currently constructed is worse than our 2011 pitching. People have made this case over and over. The answer that we are getting is that we can't be sure. Okay, that's really an effective parry. Puhlease! How about someone attempting to make the case (backed up with facts and stats) that our 2012 pitching as currently constructed will be better than our 2011 pitching. Have at it. My guess is that they will all run for the doors or continue to argue that we can't know that our pitching will be worse. I'd like to hear why it will be better. Please leave out that we will have Buch back for the whole season. Injuries are part of the game, and our top 3 haven't been healthy for an entire season in several years.
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Great! Add a psycho-retread to the mix.
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There's nothing that anyone can point to that makes me believe that our 2012 starting staff or bullpen will be better in 2012 than 2011. The three best guys from our bullpen are no loner there. Two of them are headed to the rotation to be starters, something neither has done as a regular major league role. Bard sucked as a starter in the minors. To expect the 2012 pitching to be improved based on the personnel changes requires blind faith in the success of Bard and Aceves in their new roles. I'd love to see that, but I am not expecting that. I have no basis to believe that will be the case. If they both flop were screwed. If one flops that could also throw the season in the toilet. If we get an established 4th starter, we can have Bard and Aceves compete for the 5th spot. We'd only need one of them to succeed. The other one would go back to the bullpen which would help the pen. Getting another starter is the far superior scenario. As things stand now, our pitching could rapidly fall apart.
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Where are you getting this from?
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Why would you think the pressure to make Bard a starter is coming from the fans? I don't think that is or has been the case at all. Most fans wanted to see him as the closer. If there is pressure for Bard to start, it is coming from Bard. Do you really think Silva or Miller are dependable rotation guys? I view them more as depth guys. If they are in the rotation, who are the depth starters?
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Who do you think will be the other starter if only one of them ends up in the rotation? Edit: How do you expect Bard and Aceves to perform as starters?
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I am curious though. You have read the thread. Who are all these big money stiffs that the old guys want to sign? As far as I can see, everyone just wants one more starter. What do you realistically expect from Bard and Aceves in starting roles, and don't you think that pulling them both out of the bull pen leaves a big hole in the pen?
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That's why I only use it on rare occasions. I have to wit until there has been sufficient membership turnover.
