a700hitter

There is no need for a pitcher not to go after our hitters. Without Ortiz, we don't have any established power hitters. Yes, WMB is strong, but without AGon hitting the long ball, we don't have anyone that scares a pitcher.

This guy has not had to break a sweat against us.

Lester is not an ace and this is not a game where our offense is raking.

They have to work this pitcher over.

I don't think we will bash them into submission all 4 games. Our pitchers will have to do their part. Rookie looking play from Kalish.

I think he will be okay. I picked him up in a sell-low trade for one of my fantasy leagues. The guy who had him is known as a mush. He drafts good players who turn to s*** every year, so I was very concerned when he drafted AGon and Lester in the first 2 rounds... And rightly so. Hopefully, getting him away from that jinx will turn him around.

:lol: It gives me something to do.:lol:

If that is the case, then they should just cut him. If he can't start and he can't pitch in high leverage late inning situations, then he should just get released. I think the Red Sox believe that he can still be effective in late innings so they are trying to get him back on track. He wasn't really as bad as a meltdown freak show in September 2011. That's a bit of an exaggeration.

He's in Fort Myers now. They can send someone to watch him pitch down there. They should be able to judge how he is throwing without putting him in a minor league game. Also, I didn't say that he should be thrown into the rotation. I said let's see if he has any bullets in his gun. Preferably, they should see this in a low leverage situation or two out of the pen. Holy crap back at you.

Have you ever heard of a figure of speech? There comes a point where a players performance is unacceptable and he has to go. Lowe has reached that point with the Guardians, and I am hoping that Cook meets the same fate with the Red Sox. You are an incessant nit-picker. Stop it. They both suck. That's the point. And I disagree with putting him in Pawtucket. Cut Cook's ass now. Bring Lowe here to see if he has any bullets left in his gun. If not, adios.

But so far they have only put Crawford and Punto on waivers-- no one else.

So, we are going to pick nits over degrees of s*** now? Neither one's pitching has been acceptable recently. We already gave Cook a chance. He blew his chance by giving up 6 HRs in his last 3 games. We can give Lowe a chance.

So Lavarnway hasn't had a major league AB this season, but Bobby V is batting him in front of Middlebrooks tonight. His lineups usually leave me shaking my head.

Our pitching needs to be good. Bashing any team into submission 4 times in a row is difficult. There's a good chance that there will be at least 1 low scoring close game in this series. The pitching will have to win that game.

He can't be worse than Cook. I'd give him a shot.

Cook against Texas would be a blood bath.

Here's my last statement on this. Scutaro still has more market value than Mortensen. It was a salary dump. Mortensen has done better than expected. He is not a prospect. He has no future. Once his options expire, he will be worthless to the Red Sox and probably every other team. Am I allowed to disagree with you about this trade? I think I am. All trades are not held to the same standard. There are different dynamics involved in every move. They affect who you keep, and how those players perform is relevant. A trade may be a good trade straight up in a vacuum, but if it doesn't address the needs of the team, that affects the judgment of the trade. So, correct, there is not a single standard by which to judge a trade, and often there is not a definitive verdict on a trade. I disagree with you on this. Let it go.

I'm not going to go into the whole rehash. The team didn't have enough starting pitching coming out of the gate. They insisted that they had enough. They were very wrong. Under performance by the top 3 exacerbated the situation and the team basically collapsed out of the gate and it has been stumbling ever since. I did not expect the pitching to completely crumble like this, but I did expect for it to break down later in the season like it did last year. We added nothing to a staff that imploded last year. Two rookies on innings limits is a recipe for a late season collapse. One of them blew up spectacularly and they stuck with the guy until he helped bury the team in last place and maybe even wrecked his career. If you want to use the under performance of the big three as an excuse, waht is the excuse for not rebuilding the pitching during the season when their suckiness has become obvious? Yes, I blame the FO for this season. The flaw in this team was obvious to everyone. It was so obvious that they were asked about their pitching on a daily basis, and they had their talking points that they were happy with their starting pitching. They were either being disingenuous or stupid about the issue. Yes, I blame them, and I have heard and read every excuse by and for the FO. I don't need to hear them or read them anymore. They messed up. It is on them. They have rolled out a team that has been just awful, because it kicks you in the gut before you can even get comfortable in your seat. The unexpected under performance has made things far worse, but their rotation was obviously weak before the season started , and there were no viable contingency plans. Dice K, Cook, Ohlendorf etc were not viable contingency plans. You don't want to blame the FO. Fine. I blame them. We can agree to disagree.

They had no problem putting him in the rotation previously when guys were injured. The bullpen is not our problem. Plus Bobby V has to do so much matching up because our starters suck and can't go deep into games. It's all about the starting pitching. It wasn't addressed in the off season, and it still has not been addressed. It is the downfall of this team, no matter how you want to twist and turn the reasons for it. It still comes back to the starting pitching.