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BoNat, if you are still not sure where you stand with Cerrano you are never going to admit that this guy is waste of a roster space. What more proof do you need. He has once again regressed and regressed badly. Every pitcher knows how to get him out and he has become almost an automatic striikeout. Potential? The most overused and disgusting word in sports. He doesn't have it, can't hit, can't field, lousy work ethic, and dumb as all outdoors.

Don't confuse the Wily Mo lovers with facts Crunch. It would burst their balloon. You said it well; how much longer should this team (and its fans) be punished for Theo's f*** up? Apparently until some kicks Epstein in the ass and tells him to get rid of this guy.

No I wouldn't Jackson. He is simply a pathetic fit for the Red Sox. I just want him out of our lineup, out of our dugout and out of town. POST HASTE!!!!!

I'll keep adding to the cause if this thread topic continues but it looks to me like we now have a majority that see Pena as an albatross around our collective necks. In 2004 he hit 26 homers for the Reds and looked like he was finally on his way. The next year he fell off in most categories and looked helpless in the field. Remember when he came to Fenway for that series and played a fly ball off his head for a homer? Now with all AL pitchers on to him he is going to be a disaster unless we sit him in one deep corner of the bench and keep him there until we can either trade him or release him. Send him to the minors? Oh, Theo is scared shitless that someone might draft him away from us. Ridiculous???? It would be an early Christmas present from where I sit.

It's a new year Rod and we can't be certain we are going to be able to beat them to a pulp again this season. Fortunately we have Schilling and Beckett pitching for us so that ought to give us a better chance than we had the last two games. BTW, there is a relateively new Dodger Board called ClubDodgers.com. Since you are a fan of that team you might try and check it out. Some very nice people on that board just like here.

You know guys, I would rather be wrong about Pena and see him come back and have a banner season and make me look like a dunce for my diatribes about the guy rather than be on the mark with him. However, this is one time I am convinced that my opinion is a spot-on slam dunk. Anyway, let's take on the Orioles and get back to our winning ways.

Schill, I do NOT like to disagree or argue with you because you are one of my three or four best friends on this board, but from what I have seen of this guy last year and this I am afraid that, if anything, he is regressing and regressing badly. You and I both know he cannot field worth a damn in the outfield. We both know he has struck out well over half his plate appearances, and we both know that all the pitchers know that he will chase any breaking ball no matter how outside the pitch is and miss it. Yes, I would love it if you were right and I turned out to be very very wrong, but as this juncture I think you are whistling past the graveyard with this guy. But you're my pal so I will cut you all the slack you want. Just don't count me in the pro Wily Mo parade. I've seen this guy too many times in person to think he is anything but a big blob on our roster. BTW my friend, what the hell is going on with the AL East??? The Red Sox, Orioles and Yankees go down again. Is Toronto and Tampa Bay for real? We could have a real pier six brawl in the division this season.

You can't blame this whole debacle on Wily Mo Pena as much as some of us want to. The team sucked tonight and Toronto had their best pitcher going for them. Halladay is one helluva hurler. I think, though, that this idea of Taverez as our fifth starter is now a non-starter. There has to be someone else we can use. Maybe bring Hansack up and give him a shot. As for Pena, he now has struck out over half, well over half, of the time he has batted, has muffed balls two games in a row. What the hell is it going to take for the Red Sox to realize that this guy just isn't going to help us at all. My God, what is it going to take before someone in the FO wakes up. If this guy gets enough at bats, say 300 he will probably strike out over half the time. Pathetic.

One of those games guys. I notice that Lugo and Youk have been leaving men on base at an alarming rate and another stat jumps right out at you. David and Manny, 0 for 9 tonight. Can't win with that kind of hitting from our two biggest guns and Wakefield was due for a crapola game sooner or later. What's bad is that we have to face Halladay tomorrow with Taverez opposing him. If Julian can only rise to the occasion and our two boppers go five for nine tomorrow, maybe we can pull it out. The Yankees lost, though, and I think Baltimore did, too, so we didn't lose any ground. Would have been great to pick up another game, though.

Rician, Crunch and Ted, take it from me. Trying to get consensus on Wily Mo Pena is a daunting task and doomed to failure. The problem is we have some pretty good baseball people in Schill, Kilo and Redseat who think the guy is worth being patient with and some others who feel the same always point to David Ortiz as an example of how patience pays off. What the pro-Pena camp fails to realize is that Ortiz NEVER was a chaser of pitches wide of the zone, and while he DID have a hole in his swing he was a hard and willing worker. Pena? This past winter when he was something like 4 for 48 on one time in the Dominican Winter League, was he working on his weaknesses???? Hell no, according to reports he was out chasing the ladies. He has either a very poor work ethic or he is just a bad learner. Anyone who saw him last night and still thinks he is going to suddenly put it together is living in a dream world. He had four at-bats in the Yankee series. Four. All were strikeouts and if you saw them you know that every one of those K's were on bad pitches out of the strike zone. However, for the sake of comaradarie on this board, let's just agree to disagree with the other camp on this guy and just move on.

Well said Jackson---and I read no sour grapes in your missive. Here might be one point of contention between us, though. When we play your team the Red Sox HAVE GOT TO COME OUT SWINGING and try as they might to go tit-for-tat with your lineup because our pitchers, good as they're supposed to be, are going to get tagged some along the way. Barring unforseen circumstances the Red Sox aren't going to beat your Yankee team, 3-1 or 4-2. We get four runs a game against the Yankees and we will lose 10 of the next 15 games for certain. We have to go out there are score six or seven just about every time to have a chance to win the game. That was proven to me beyond a doubt this past weekend.

EX, we're usually on the same page covering each other's back, but I have to tell you that saying the Yankees don't look scary is bit over the line. Maybe their pitching right now leaves something to be desired but that lineup of theirs-----one to nine is almost guaranteed to wear down any pitcher. When they are all in the order there isn't a weak bat in the bunch. That's why I said before the series that we must put runs on the board because it might be rare to get a real pitcher's duel from our end of it with that lineup of theirs. We got seven three times and won all three games. We get only four or five and it is us who are weeping right now instead of jumping for joy. We might get away with four or five against Baltimore or Toronto, but luck sevens are what we at least need against the Yankees from where I sit. Anyway, I share you elation. It was a helluva weekend for our team.

yeszir, are you guys crazy????? I was beside myself with anger when he walked Abreu. I wanted no part of A-Rod. One-two-three and out of there, but I guess you are in the majority. Most seem to have liked the idea of Paps facing A-Rod manno manno, but I would just as soon had Abreu fly out to Drew or Crisp.

EX, I screamed so loud when A-Rod made the last out that I scared by beloved grandaughter out of her wits. I felt both elated and guilty at the same time. What a series; we slugged it out with the Yankees and got all three games. You can bet the Yankees and their fans will be hell bent for revenge next weekend. However, Toronto first.

Thumper, I nearly collapsed when Phelps hit that ball; what a helluva play by Dustin. He also got two solid hits and was robbed of another. I noticed last year that he seems to play well against the Yankees. Maybe this gets him started.

Kilo, I said the same thing watching the game at my son-in-law's house. You can run a guy out there only so many times in a row, but I got the chills when I saw Romero warming up. That guy was a waste with the Twins and with the Angels last year and has had absolutely no success whatever against the Yankees. Given that, I can understand why Tito decided to take a chance with H.O. BTW, you know it was Francona's birthday today, right? Good birthday present for the guy, though nothing like the one I received on October 27, 2004.

Ted, how could anyone with a pair of eyes not notice. I think there are just a lot of Red Sox fans on this board and, in fact, on other Sox boards as well, who are in denial about this guy. When he's at bat with men on base off speed pitches is all he's going to see and the pitchers throwing them to him were no great shakes themselves yet they made him look like a chump. He will never be a threat against the Yankees for what they did to him today is what I saw last September at YS. It isn't just that he can't hit off speed pitches but he continues to chase them well out of the strike zone. He will hit a few homers for us this year but overall he is going to be one big piece of blob. His ninth year in pro ball and he still can't touch an off speed pitch on the outside corner and beyond. PATHETIC@!!!!!

Nonsense Anuj!!!!! We can and we will take that game tonight. We also have to because on Tuesday we are going up against Halladay again with our fifth starter and that could be a problems of sorts. While not do or die, losing tonight could jeopardize the little distance we have already put between ourselves and the Yankees. No matter what it takes we win this one tonight.