I agree that he won't be in the hall of fame, but he was one of the most dominating pitchers of the last 10 years, and is a slight step below Clemens, Johnson, Maddux and Pedro. He is well ahead of Willis and Santana until they prove they can do pitch at this level for several years. Also are you implying that right now A-Rod wouldn't make the HOF and last time I checked Johnson, Trelle and Maddux only have 1 ring, while Santana has none so I would take rings out of your argument.