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    Checking In On Dave Dombrowski, Five Years After He Left The Red Sox


    Maddie Landis

    Boston's former President of Baseball Operations has taken the Phillies to a World Series, a Championship Series, and now a Divisional Series, but has yet to win the big one. How has he done it, and what can the Red Sox learn from his tenure?

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    In September 2019, just over five years ago, the Red Sox fired Dave Dombrowski. One year later, he was scooped up by the Phillies, who had gone nine years without making the playoffs and eight years without a winning record. In 2022, the Phillies made a run to the World Series, coming up short against the Houston Astros. Last year, they lost to the Diamondbacks in a heartbreaking NLCS. They faced yet another disappointment against the Mets in the NLDS this year. 

    The Phillies entered the 2024 season with about $248 million in payroll, banking on a championship run. They got off to a hot start, finishing June with a 55-29 record. The Phillies starting rotation was one of their greatest strengths. At the end of June, their starters led the league with a 2.96 ERA, 3.43 FIP, and 11.4 fWAR. Zack Wheeler and Aaron Nola have been an elite one-two combo for years, with Ranger Suárez and Cristopher Sánchez strengthening the back end of the rotation.

    Through June, Matt Strahm, Orion Kerkering, Jeff Hoffman, and José Alvarado led the Phillies bullpen to a 3.34 ERA, 26.2 K%, and 3.10 FIP across 259.0 innings. Their 5.0 fWAR led baseball and played a critical role in the team's first-half success. 

    With a star-studded lineup led by Kyle Schwarber, Trea Turner, Bryce Harper, Nick Castellanos, and J.T. Realmuto, the Phillies bats were incredibly productive, slashing .259/.333/.421 through June. Trea Turner was a frontrunner for a batting title and Bryce Harper looked like he was on his way to his third National League MVP. Kyle Schwarber continued to mash the ball outside of the park. Alec Bohm took a step forward. 

    Because of their historic start, the Phillies sent a franchise record of eight players to the All-Star Game. Their rotation, bullpen, and batting lineup looked primed for an October run. Then the second half happened. Following the break, the Phillies ran a perfectly mediocre 33-33 record. Suárez hit the IL with lower back soreness and ran a 5.65 second-half ERA. Taijuan Walker, Koby Allard, and Tyler Phillips took Suárez’s spot in the rotation but failed to live up to his performance. Injuries to Bohm, Realmuto, Schwarber, Turner, and Harper cooled the lineup’s bats.

    The Phillies may as well have arrived at the postseason in a screeching ambulance, going 3-7 in their last 10 games. In the National League Division Series, the bottom of the lineup failed them. Bohm, Realmuto, Stott, Weston Wilson, and Brandon Marsh combined for a .089 batting average. The bullpen that had been a strength all year surrendered a whopping 11.37 ERA.

    Roster Construction/Free Agent Signings 

    The Phillies batting order features five players above the age of 30. The average age of their position players, 29.1 years, was the fourth-highest in baseball this season. Bryce Harper is a generational talent who’s headed for the Hall of Fame. Kyle Schwarber isn’t going to Cooperstown with Harper, but he’s a solid player with an impeccable postseason résumé.

    Trea Turner, Age 31, 11-year, $300-million Contract (2023-33)
    Although Trea Turner has put up 8.2 fWAR since joining the Phillies in 2023, eighth-most among shortstops, the size and length of his contract will likely end up making it a significant overpay. Since joining the Phillies in 2023, his 40 errors are the second-most in all of baseball, trailing only Elly De La Cruz, and he's put up -1.0 dWAR. Turner’s bat makes up for his defense, but the 115 wRC+ he's put up with the Phillies is a far cry from the 139 he put up in the three years before he joined the team. His bat went cold during the NLDS. He went 3-for-15, good for a .200 batting average, and went hitless during the deciding game of the series. 

    The Phillies will be paying Turner for nine more years, through his age 39 season.

    J.T. Realmuto, Age 33, 5-year, $115.5-million Contract (2021-25)
    From 2020 to 2023, J.T. Realmuto was the best catcher in baseball. Before the 2024 season, however, he was demoted to the fourth spot in MLB Network’s positional rankings, indicating that Father Time and overuse have caught up with him. Realmuto was sidelined from mid-June to late July following meniscus surgery. Realmuto was 27 years old when the Phillies originally traded for him, and he is now 33. Since 2015, he has played in 1,120 games, almost 200 more than the catcher in second place. Despite the demanding nature of his position, Realmuto rarely takes time off, partly because the backup catcher Garrett Stubbs does not warrant consistent playing time. Stubbs’ career slash line with the Phillies stands at a .222/.305/.324 slash line with a 25.2 K%, 79 wRC+, and 0.7 WAR across three seasons. Simply put, Stubbs is a massive downgrade from Realmuto. 

    From 2018 to 2022, Realmuto ran a 118 wRC+, fourth among qualified catchers. In 2023 and 2023, his wRC+ has fallen to 105, still above average, but no longer elite. More importantly, his once elite framing skills are no longer grading out well. Realmuto went 0-for-11 during the NLDS, but those struggles this postseason could be overlooked because he effectively guided Wheeler, Nola, and Suárez to quality starts.

    Realmuto also boasts unusual speed for a catcher, stealing 37 stolen bases between 2022 and 2023. This year he only managed to steal two total bases. Realmuto's meniscus surgery limited his running ability, and he likely wanted to avoid risking further injury to his knee. It will be telling to see whether Realmuto will regains his prowess in 2025 or continues to regress.

    Nick Castellanos, Age 32, 5-year, $100-million Contract (2022-26) 
    Since 2022, the Phillies have paid Nick Castellanos $60 million, and he’s provided them with 1.4 fWAR. At this point, he’s a sunk cost with a high chase rate and, according to Statcast, the worst defense in baseball. The Phillies were reportedly shopping Castallanos following the 2023 season.

    Together, the contracts of Harper, Schwarber, Turner, Realmuto, and Castellanos are worth $924.5 million. In Games 6 and 7 of the 2023 NLCS, those players combined for a total of 3 hits and 14 strikeouts in 36 at-bats. In Games 4, 5, and 6 of the 2022 World Series, Harper, Schwarber, Realmuto, and Castellanos mustered 4 hits and 20 strikeouts in 41 at-bats. Philadelphia's aging, expensive core has pushed them to the World Series, but failed to bring home the ultimate prize.

    Dave Dombrowski, the architect of this Phillies team, loaded the roster with stars on mega-contracts, leaving little to no resources for depth improvements.

    In August 2022, the Phillies traded their highly-regarded catching prospect Logan O’Hoppe for Angels outfielder Brandon Marsh. This move created a massive hole in the Phillies' catching depth. The 24-year-old O’Hoppe looks like he could be a legitimate catcher, putting up 2.1 WAR in 2024. Solid catchers are a scarce commodity in baseball. Trading away a reputable catching prospect was a major oversight by Dave Dombrowski. The Phillies batting lineup features only two everyday homegrown players, infielders Alec Bohm and Bryson Stott.

    Alec Bohm
    Alec Bohm had an excellent start to the season. He made the All-Star Game and made it to the semi-finals of the Home Run Derby. However, his wRC+ fell from 128 in the first half to 90 in the second half. Bohm also has trouble controlling his temper. On several occasions, video cameras have caught him breaking his bat or slamming his helmet after a strikeout. After getting caught attempting to stretch a single into a double during the NLDS, cameras caught him throwing a fit in the dugout. Bohm went 1-for-13 (.077) in the series.

    Bryson Stott 
    Stott saved the Phillies this postseason. If not for his two-RBI triple during Game 2, the Phillies likely would have been swept. Stott moved from shortstop to second when Turner joined the Phillies. Afer a breakout season with a 101 wRC+ in 2023, Stott regressed to 88 in 2024. A patient hitter who drives up pitch counts and draws walks, he was advised to take a more aggressive approach at the plate this year, but ended up swinging less often. Stott’s regression appears to be a typical sophomore slump and opponents modifying their approach.

    Stott’s sprint speed ranks in the 91st percentile at 29.1 feet per second, and he has stolen at least 30 bases in each of the past two seasons. He possesses solid plate discipline in a free-swinging lineup and plays solid defense at second. Stott also remains one of the cheaper players on the Phillies roster. Stott has a lot of upside, and if he can figure out a more complete approach at the plate, his defense and speed could make him a true all-around threat. 

    Conclusions
    As a team, the Phillies lack a consistent hitting approach. They collect non-competitive at-bats and chase pitches well outside the strike zone. Scouting reports show that they fail to adjust to soft stuff. The one-size-fits-all “see ball, swing” attitude isn’t working for the Phillies. Having the second-best record in baseball is inconsequential if the team can’t play small ball in the postseason. 

    The game has changed since Dave Dombrowski’s days of buying championships with the Marlins and Red Sox. Baseball’s youth movement has descended upon the league. Teams are investing heavily in player development, biomechanics, and advanced analytics. Playoff-caliber teams are made of homegrown players, some of whom are locked to long-term extensions. Baseball is a game of adjustments, and the Phillies entered the 2024 season with nearly the same roster as in 2022 and 2023. If Dombrowski chooses to field the same roster without any adjustments next year, the Phillies will fail again.  

    The Phillies find themselves in a precarious situation as their championship window slowly closes. Their roster is burdened by costly, immovable contracts. Their financial commitments limit their ability to address clear gaps in the lineup. Does this sound familiar? After the greatest season in franchise history, the Red Sox aimed for a repeat title run with an unchanged roster in 2019, only to fall short of the playoffs. Dombrowski left the Red Sox with an aging, costly, inflexible roster. Ownership faced challenging decisions and parted ways with beloved players. Sometimes, it felt like they were taking one step forward and three steps back as they attempted to dig themselves out of the hole.

    In sharp contrast to Dave Dombrowski's struggles with the Phillies, the Red Sox are well-positioned for a sustainable future thanks to their strong farm system and successful player development. However, fans are tired of the continuous rebuilding mindset from ownership. Prospect hoarding doesn’t win championships. The Red Sox have a convincing core to build around, money to spend on free agents, and depth to trade from. It’s time for ownership to turn all that potential into action.

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    33 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

    If we count Thornburg, then do we count Moreland and Nunez as good? How about Kinsler? Do we count the Pearce ext as major (and bad?)

    Lots of gray area.

    I do think it's clear DD did better with major deals then B & B (and add Ben, if you want.) Of course, spending $20+M on JD & Bogey gives you a better chance at success or meh, than spending 5-10M on 1 year deals.

     

    Yeah, it's just never as simple as we'd like it to be.

    I think he did an excellent job given the mandate most of us assume he had.

    51 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

    If we count Thornburg, then do we count Moreland and Nunez as good? How about Kinsler? Do we count the Pearce ext as major (and bad?)

    Moreland and Nunez hit good pinch-hit home runs that helped win two World Series games. 

    That's good enough for anybody.

    Pearce was World Series MVP, then tried to play all banged-up for one more year when he had to retire at age 29. He also got paid by Boston that last, lost season -- for around the same amount as the checks Manny once forgot in his glove compartment. John Henry and Co. probably just viewed the Pearce ext. as a reward for his contributions to winning a ring, 

    Kinsler couldn't hit a fastball anymore... but 3 out of 4 ain't bad.

    On 10/12/2024 at 8:16 AM, Bellhorn04 said:

    Maybe now Dave will get a chance to show if he can dig his way out of it, which he didn't get with the Sox.

    Or Detroit. 
     

    I’m not so sure his MO is conducive to working his way out of it unless he has a Yankee/Dodger budget…

    On 10/12/2024 at 3:47 PM, dgalehouse said:

    I can't fault Dombrowski for the post season failures. There is just so much any head of baseball operations can do. He put together a team that was capable of winning it all. Anything can happen in a short series , and the Phillies got beat by a very good and very hot Mets team. And that is why the 2018 Sox were so special. They dominated from wire to wire. 108 wins . 11-3 in the post season against some very strong opponents.  You seldom see that kind of dominance.  This Phillies  team is very good, but not dominant. 

    This Phillies team should be dominant on paper.  All DD (or any CBO) can do is make them look good on paper.

    33 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Yeah, it's just never as simple as we'd like it to be.

    I think he did an excellent job given the mandate most of us assume he had.

    He should not be blamed for being handed a massive budget to work with. He did pretty well with his biggest contracts, although the Price deal lessened the return we got for Betts. The Sale extension hurt, but to me, it made more sense at the time than the Yoshida signing plus deals like Gio+Kluber+ Richards + Perez x 2.

    One major criticism he got, at the time was "emptying the farm," or "leaving it barren." Call it luck on some of his guys, but the fact is he kept maybe the best 6 out of 6 or 7 prospects.

    Devers, Houck, Duran, Crawford, Rafaela, Beni

    He drafted or IFA signed:

    Houck, Duran, Casas, Crawford (most were not high draft picks)

    Bello, Rafaela (IFAs)

    Shugart, Murphy, Bastardo, Wikelman, B Gonzalez 

    Shaun Anderson (traded for Nunez), Scherff (for Robles), Blaylock (for Urias) Quiroz (for Brewer)

    This is better than decent, considering lower draft picks.

     

    3 minutes ago, notin said:

    This Phillies team should be dominant on paper.  All DD (or any CBO) can do is make them look good on paper.

    Agreed, and I'd say the same about the 2019 Sox. Sure, he let Kimbrell and kelly walk without replacing them, but he was accused of overkilling it on the 2018 team, so blaming him for 2019 seems far-fetched, to me.

    It also begs the question about how high were expectations going into 2014 or 2022.

    If you look at the 2021 roster and consider Bloom added Wacha, Strahm, Hill and got our best season out of Schreiber and Story in '22, one can wonder why it all turned so sour. 

    On paper, it looks like the winter moves should have helped.

    30 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    Moreland and Nunez hit good pinch-hit home runs that helped win two World Series games. 

    That's good enough for anybody.

    Pearce was World Series MVP, then tried to play all banged-up for one more year when he had to retire at age 29. He also got paid by Boston that last, lost season -- for around the same amount as the checks Manny once forgot in his glove compartment. John Henry and Co. probably just viewed the Pearce ext. as a reward for his contributions to winning a ring, 

    Kinsler couldn't hit a fastball anymore... but 3 out of 4 ain't bad.

    Kinsler did solidify the 2B defense, as Nunez looked pretty bad out there. There were also guys like Brasier, who did very well under DD.

    On 10/12/2024 at 12:51 PM, Maxbialystock said:

    Amazing article in the OP that confirms my criticism of DD over the last several years of postings on talksox.

    The article is far more insightful than I've been, but it brings out two themes of mine which absolutely no one else on talksox ever agreed with.  

    The first was that the Sox were an irreparable disaster in 2019, which is why DD got fired.  I hasten to add they were brilliant in 2018, for which DD should definitely receive credit.  But after the 2019 season--when the Sox already had the biggest payroll in MLB--it was going to be impossible to keep Mookie Betts away from the far wealthier and healthier (as a franchise) Dodgers, to keep paying the huge salaries of Price and Sale, both of whom were IL candidates, and to replace them with two more pricey starters.  Thus did JH decide to go in a completely different direction with Chaim Bloom of the Tampa Bay Rays.

    The second theme was this year's Sox who finished at 81-81, which was just 5 games back of two teams, the Royals and Tigers, who made the postseason with 86-76 records. 

    I dubbed this year's Sox the "no-names," by which I meant exactly what the article refers to near the end as homegrown and therefore low-salaried players.  How many times, for example, did I point out that the entire Sox rotation in 2024 were paid less than the Sox closer Jansen?  Plus by far the best position player--highest WAR of 8.7--was $750K/year 4th year player Jarren Duran.  $30M/year Devers was 2d with an OPS of 3.7, less than half of Duran's.  Then came Abreu (OPS 3.5), Rafaela (OPS 2.8), Hamilton (2.6), Wong (1.6), and Gonzalez (1.0).  Plus let's not forget that a freak injury kept bargain basement excellent hitter Casas off the roster for about 100 games.  

    Reinforcing my 2d point, I also reminded everyone--and was repudiated endlessly--that no less than 8 freaking MLB teams with lower payrolls than the Sox made it to the postseason:  Arizona, San Diego, KC, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Cleveland, and Detroit.  I could have thrown in Seattle, 85-77, whose payroll was 15th to the Sox 11th, and Tampa Bay, 80-82 (just one game back of the Sox), whose payroll was 28th.  

    I was in fact the only contributor to talksox who said that spending lots and lots of money wasn't necessarily the best solution, and I said that because I thought DD had inadvertently made that point for me in 2019.  

     

    Very good read.

    Minor detail but Duran is team controlled for 4 more years. It doesn't square up with your "4th year player". To be exact, he has 2 years and 155 days of service time. The Sox did well to bring him up to the majors at the right time.

    6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

    Agreed, and I'd say the same about the 2019 Sox. Sure, he let Kimbrell and kelly walk without replacing them, but he was accused of overkilling it on the 2018 team, so blaming him for 2019 seems far-fetched, to me.

    It also begs the question about how high were expectations going into 2014 or 2022.

    If you look at the 2021 roster and consider Bloom added Wacha, Strahm, Hill and got our best season out of Schreiber and Story in '22, one can wonder why it all turned so sour. 

    On paper, it looks like the winter moves should have helped.

    2019 was the beginning of his downfall.  He let Kimbrel and Kelly walk and (as far as anyone can tell) replaced them with Colten Brewer.  His pitching staff was expensive and oft-injured.  And Mookie was unwilling to extend for what DD was offering…

    I am on board with Moon about acquiring a top of the line starter. However he missed my point about the likely of THAT happening in my opinion is slim to none.

    Moon states perhaps we have 8 years of window with our production farm and young players. Obviously I agree with his assessment and to make it clear, we are talking mainly about the positional players.

    Faced with the possibility of not 'going all out' for a starting pitcher, I suggested maybe we focus on building a kick ass bullpen where the contract value and the length is not so daunting as with starters.

    I simply threw out five names that came to mind as Sox starters, Giolito, Houck, Kutter, Bello and Fitts. OBVIOUSLY THE STARTING ROTATION HAS TO BE DEEPER. Moon and others are all over me about the starting quintet not being enough. 

    All I'm suggesting is that maybe we should focus on the bullpen first. Acquire enough starters to get us to the fifth inning and let the bullpen take over. 

    A simple league average in saves would have given us 5 more wins. Our save opportunities ranked 6th in the MLB I believe. That too me tells me bullpen upgrade will yield us the biggest win improvement in 2025.

     

     

    36 minutes ago, notin said:

    2019 was the beginning of his downfall.  He let Kimbrel and Kelly walk and (as far as anyone can tell) replaced them with Colten Brewer.  His pitching staff was expensive and oft-injured.  And Mookie was unwilling to extend for what DD was offering…

    Or for what Henry was offering.

    Dave has never been shy about offering top of the market money for elite talent, after all.  

    1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Yeah, it's just never as simple as we'd like it to be.

    I think he did an excellent job given the mandate most of us assume he had.

    I think he did a great job through 2018 and ignore what didn't work. However, it really came off the rails that offseason for him IMO. 

    Nate extension

    Wright PED suspension

    Shugart 2nd time drug suspension

    Sale extension

    Xander extension with opt out

    No other offseason trades or deals of note even though the transaction log is littered with injury notes. 

    Cora rests his rotation in April.

    INTL signings: Perales, Garcia Bros, Castro (DD doesn't know who these guys are)

    Draft: Cannon, Lugo, Zeferjahn, Song, Murphy, Walter

    Acquired Andrew F'n Cashner

    It was the only year I can remember that he thought to himself "what if I didn't add anything and just ran back an exhausted team by handing out extensions?"

     

    11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    I think he did a great job through 2018 and ignore what didn't work. However, it really came off the rails that offseason for him IMO. 

    Nate extension

    Wright PED suspension

    Shugart 2nd time drug suspension

    Sale extension

    Xander extension with opt out

    No other offseason trades or deals of note even though the transaction log is littered with injury notes. 

    Cora rests his rotation in April.

    INTL signings: Perales, Garcia Bros, Castro (DD doesn't know who these guys are)

    Draft: Cannon, Lugo, Zeferjahn, Song, Murphy, Walter

    Acquired Andrew F'n Cashner

    It was the only year I can remember that he thought to himself "what if I didn't add anything and just ran back an exhausted team by handing out extensions?"

     

    It's really hard to repeat in MLB, seemingly harder all the time.  Hasn't happened since 2000.  In 2019 we experienced some of the reasons why that is.  IMHO.

    12 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    It's really hard to repeat in MLB, seemingly harder all the time.  Hasn't happened since 2000.  In 2019 we experienced some of the reasons why that is.  IMHO.

    I don't think he needed to repeat 2019, he just didn't need to go out and do the 2019 campaign he did. Also, he really put the Sox in a rough spot with the specific extensions that were signed.  

    Maybe we should consider this

    2024 3.3M 41, 527 per game

    2023 3.1 M 37, 686 per game

    2022 2.3M 28,108 per game

    2024 1.5M 18,715 per game

    The attendance has increased steadily over his 4 years.

    From 2007 to 2013, Phillies drew 3M+ fans. They had 5 first place finishes from 2007-2011.

    6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    I don't think he needed to repeat 2019, he just didn't need to go out and do the 2019 campaign he did. Also, he really put the Sox in a rough spot with the specific extensions that were signed.  

    Was the Bogaerts extension good or bad?  I have to go with good.  They got 3 good years pretty cheap, and it's hard to say the opt out has hurt us.

    I was fine with the Eovaldi extension.  Nate has proven he's great when healthy, with health being a constant concern.  Many of us lamented that we didn't keep him.

    The Sale extension has been beaten to death, of course.

    20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    I think he did a great job through 2018 and ignore what didn't work. However, it really came off the rails that offseason for him IMO. 

    Nate extension

    Wright PED suspension

    Shugart 2nd time drug suspension

    Sale extension

    Xander extension with opt out

    No other offseason trades or deals of note even though the transaction log is littered with injury notes. 

    Cora rests his rotation in April.

    INTL signings: Perales, Garcia Bros, Castro (DD doesn't know who these guys are)

    Draft: Cannon, Lugo, Zeferjahn, Song, Murphy, Walter

    Acquired Andrew F'n Cashner

    It was the only year I can remember that he thought to himself "what if I didn't add anything and just ran back an exhausted team by handing out extensions?"

     

    Great point and list. Much had nothing to do with a radical cut in winter spending. While the payroll went up, as Maz keeps pointing out, much was due to arb raises and the extensions that just kept the status quo.

    There was basically no new spending after 2018, and any new spending in 2020 and 2021 never replaced what was lost, in terms of expiring contracts or players traded away (Betts, Price, Beni...)

    I will say, I do not think the nate extension was bad, but it wasn't as good as the JD signing or Kimbrell & Sale trade. The Bogey extension was great, despite the opt-out. I doubt we get him for $20M a year w/o that.

    We can say he should have worked to get a non opt out with Bogey and a Betts extension, but that is really speculating on things with too many moving parts.

    25 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Was the Bogaerts extension good or bad?  I have to go with good.  They got 3 good years pretty cheap, and it's hard to say the opt out has hurt us.

    I was fine with the Eovaldi extension.  Nate has proven he's great when healthy, with health being a constant concern.  Many of us lamented that we didn't keep him.

    The Sale extension has been beaten to death, of course.

    The Bogaerts extension should have been longer. It was just a bad deal IMO.

    I didn't like the Eovaldi extension as he's shown not to be healthy year in and year out. 

    2 hours ago, notin said:

    2019 was the beginning of his downfall.  He let Kimbrel and Kelly walk and (as far as anyone can tell) replaced them with Colten Brewer.  His pitching staff was expensive and oft-injured.  And Mookie was unwilling to extend for what DD was offering…

    Maybe you hit on Dombro's pros and cons: great at signing elite veteran talent, not so good at extending young talent at slightly-below projected market prices... (in other words, making offers a pre-arb star shouldn't refuse when he can be rich for life, even if he blows out a knee or snaps an ankle is never again good as new.)

    Mookie was always lowballed -- $200M when he was worth $300M, then $300M when he was worth $365M -- and his mother was always the first cousin of ex-big leaguer Terry Shumpert, so she maybe knew and was made aware of her son's true value.

    But before efforts to lock up the Red Sox' best all-around player since George Herman R., there were established primetimers like Price -- who Dombro highballed.

    Then again, the one young guy the Phillies chose to ink longterm was Scott Kingery, now a 4A regular at age 30. That decision may have led to the firing of the previous Philly GM... and/or the hiring of Dave D -- who may or may not have been told to take his chances on more sure things.

    This is just nitpicking Dombrowski's moves. The important thing is that he took a cellar dwelling team and won three straight division titles. The Sox have not done that before or since. It's like saying the dinner was great, but the chef should be fired because he used a little too much oregano and not quite enough garlic. 

    32 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

    This is just nitpicking Dombrowski's moves. The important thing is that he took a cellar dwelling team and won three straight division titles. The Sox have not done that before or since. It's like saying the dinner was great, but the chef should be fired because he used a little too much oregano and not quite enough garlic. 

    A cellar dwelling team that had 22 year old Mookie Betts, 22 year old Xander Bogaerts, 25 year old JBJ, 26 year old Rick Porcello and 22 year old Eduardo Rodriguez. He really didn't add that much to the first AL East Division winner.

    His offseason moves the first year were:

    Trade for Carson Smith

    Sign Chris Young

    Sign David Price

    I guess signing David Price was worth 15 wins? 

     

    16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    A cellar dwelling team that had 22 year old Mookie Betts, 22 year old Xander Bogaerts, 25 year old JBJ, 26 year old Rick Porcello and 22 year old Eduardo Rodriguez. He really didn't add that much to the first AL East Division winner.

    His offseason moves the first year were:

    Trade for Carson Smith

    Sign Chris Young

    Sign David Price

    I guess signing David Price was worth 15 wins? 

     

    Also Kimbrel.




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