Article: Masataka Yoshida’s Shoulder Injury Threatens Season Start and Trade Value

[mvp 78]

Curiously, the Red Sox weren't good last year!!!

🙃

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, harmony said:

Curiously, according to fWAR, the Mariners and Red Sox finished fifth and 18th, respectively, in fWAR from the third base position:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2024&month=0&season1=2024&ind=0&team=0%2Cts&rost=&age=&filter=&players=0&pos=3b

The Mariners and Red Sox finished 24th and 29th in fWAR from the second base position:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2024&month=0&season1=2024&ind=0&team=0%2Cts&rost=&age=&filter=&players=0&pos=2b

The latter list identifies a consensus position of need but the first list is somewhat puzzling.

You clicked "primary position" which is very misleading, as some teams have 1300+ PAs at 3B. Better to use "positional splits" and we see:

3B: BOS 14th and SEA 20th

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind=1&qual=10&season1=2024&season=2024&team=0%2Cts&type=8&month=39

2B: SEA 20th and BOS 30th (where they have been for about 6 years)

 

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Devers was 3rd in MLB in fWAR at 3B. 

Dalbec -.7

Reyes -.7

Short -.2

fWAR/PAs at 3B

3.8/566 Devers

1.7/410 Rojas

0.2/101 Urias

0.2/101 Moore

0.0/22 Sogard

-0.3/35 Romy

-0.3/32 Dalbec

-0.4/35 Reyes 

at 2B

0.9/96 Moore (by far the best of this group)

0.4/68 Bliss (better than DHam in fWAR per PA at 2B)

0.3/443 Polanco (way more PAs than DHam)

0.2/118 DHam

0.0/42 Sogard

-0.1/56 Romy

-0.3/39 Westbrook

-0.6/109 Grissom

-1.0/202 E Valdez

 

[mvp 78]

26 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's not CBT, of course, but do you really not see how we are actually paying Gio $38.5M for 1 year? Seriously?

They paid him for last year. He was under contract, just injured. s*** happens. 0 fWAR. Could have been worse. 2 year deal. Maybe longer. 

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

They paid him for last year. He was under contract, just injured. s*** happens. 0 fWAR. Could have been worse. 2 year deal. Maybe longer. 

I know he was injured and S*** happens, but the end result is, we will pay Gio $38.5M for maybe 1 full year of pitching. Why act like the idea is unfathomable?

[harmony]

51 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You clicked "primary position" which is very misleading, as some teams have 1300+ PAs at 3B. Better to use "positional splits" and we see:

3B: BOS 14th and SEA 20th

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind=1&qual=10&season1=2024&season=2024&team=0%2Cts&type=8&month=39

2B: SEA 20th and BOS 30th (where they have been for about 6 years)

 

Thanks!

That explains it.

[mvp 78]

44 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I know he was injured and S*** happens, but the end result is, we will pay Gio $38.5M for maybe 1 full year of pitching. Why act like the idea is unfathomable?

The 1/38M doesn't have the impact on CBT the way 2/38 does. I'm not obligated to care about the long game of Henry's wallet, just the year to year budget as that is what really matters. Unless there is something more important than the annual budget? 

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The 1/38M doesn't have the impact on CBT the way 2/38 does. I'm not obligated to care about the long game of Henry's wallet, just the year to year budget as that is what really matters. Unless there is something more important than the annual budget? 

I'm not sure the CBT matters much, unless we get near it, again, but yes the yearly budget matters and by a lot. The winter spending budget is perhaps the most meaningful, and the fact that Gio got paid $19M to do nothing in 2024 does not matter, in that regard. I get that.

All of this does not take away from the view that io will essentially be paid $38M to pitch for one full year, assuming he does that in 2025. I never said that was the CBT hit or the 2025 budget hit, or even implied it, so I'm still not sure why you are making such a big deal about that statement.

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not sure the CBT matters much, unless we get near it, again, but yes the yearly budget matters and by a lot. The winter spending budget is perhaps the most meaningful, and the fact that Gio got paid $19M to do nothing in 2024 does not matter, in that regard. I get that.

All of this does not take away from the view that io will essentially be paid $38M to pitch for one full year, assuming he does that in 2025. I never said that was the CBT hit or the 2025 budget hit, or even implied it, so I'm still not sure why you are making such a big deal about that statement.

Last year's money is gone. It has no impact on this season. If he has a great season in 2025, he's being paid 19M to do so. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I know he was injured and S*** happens, but the end result is, we will pay Gio $38.5M for maybe 1 full year of pitching. Why act like the idea is unfathomable?

I know.

 

The Sox agreed to pay Price more to pitch for another team…

[moonslav59]

28 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Last year's money is gone. It has no impact on this season. If he has a great season in 2025, he's being paid 19M to do so. 

I just said this. I get it. I still don't get why you make a big deal over seeing the view that we are paying Gio $38M for one year of pitching.

We basically said very similar things about Sale's pay for not playing.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

I know.

 

The Sox agreed to pay Price more to pitch for another team…

We paid Sale a ton of money for just a few starts, too, plus the money to ATL for him to win a Cy Yong with.

I'm not sure why talking about them is okay, but Gio is off limits.

Of course the money for 2024 in gone, and he's just getting $19M for 2025. We all know this. 

It doesn't change the fact that he's still getting paid $38M for 1 year, in one context.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I just said this. I get it. I still don't get why you make a big deal over seeing the view that we are paying Gio $38M for one year of pitching.

We basically said very similar things about Sale's pay for not playing.

I'm not making a big deal over anything. 🤷‍♀️

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, harmony said:

Thanks!

That explains it.

I made the same mistake.

Primary position includes players who played some at that base, but it includes all their PAs as if they were all at that base.