6/19 Juneteenth in Toronto. Ready to sweep?

[Maxbialystock]

I'm getting the Toronto feed and they show each players OPS+ entering the game. Based on the surprisingly high OPS+ on certain players, I can only conclude that the average offensive player in MLB is pretty bad.

 

What's the difference between OPS and OPS+?

[FredLynn]

What's the difference between OPS and OPS+?

OPS+ corrects for the ease or difficulty in hitting in your home park I believe.

[FredLynn]

Two more baserunners.

Bello won’t escape this unscathed

[Maxbialystock]

He’s playing with fire and you know it. Hopefully he’ll settle down

 

He absolutely is not freaking playing with fire. He's young and lately he's been awful, but tonight he is the opposite of playing with fire, which is what stupid kids and grownups do. He's trying his darndest to get guys out.

[d-money]

Another runner on base.

[d-money]

Two more baserunners.

Bello won’t escape this unscathed

 

 

Dude has been hittable. One of the most disappointing pitchers.

[FredLynn]

He absolutely is not freaking playing with fire. He's young and lately he's been awful, but tonight he is the opposite of playing with fire, which is what stupid kids and grownups do. He's trying his darndest to get guys out.

 

He’s playing with fire and now he got burned

[d-money]

This is garbage stuff from bello. He has been fortunate.

[Maxbialystock]

Another runner on base.

 

Three in fact, all of whom hit grounders. The second was a terrific hit and run play with the batter hitting a slider well above the strike zone--right at the hole created by Valdez going to his right.

[FredLynn]

Bello has nothing tonight.

Jays will be leading after this half inning.

[d-money]

This is f***ing awful.

[vegasbob]

Bello continues to show problems . Yes, some rollers that got through warped defenses but then a walk. About to blow the lead with no outs in the 4th. SMH

[FredLynn]

He’ll walk in a run

[FredLynn]

We lucked out…or should I say Bello lucked out

[d-money]

Bello continues to show problems . Yes, some rollers that got through warped defenses but then a walk. About to blow the lead with no outs in the 4th. SMH

 

His last couple of starts haven’t been good. Just a matter of time.

[Maxbialystock]

He’s playing with fire and now he got burned

 

What is playing with fire? Are you saying he should strike out every batter? The three hits in this inning were all grounders.

 

Game tied, 2-2, disaster. End of life as we know it. All because Bello has been "playing with fire," which I guess means he actually threw the freaking ball to home plate. Shame on him. He needs to learn how to get guys without actually throwing the ball.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

That could have been a lot worse.

[d-money]

We lucked out…or should I say Bello lucked out

 

He hasn’t had anything good. Either way the bats will need to get going again.

[FredLynn]

His last couple of starts haven’t been good. Just a matter of time.

 

He’s definitely got the talent to be a serviceable #5

Kidding

 

I see him as a good #2 once he gets his act together

[FredLynn]

What is playing with fire? Are you saying he should strike out every batter? The three hits in this inning were all grounders.

 

Game tied, 2-2, disaster. End of life as we know it. All because Bello has been "playing with fire," which I guess means he actually threw the freaking ball to home plate. Shame on him. He needs to learn how to get guys without actually throwing the ball.

 

He’s doing the best he can. But like the past several starts he has been disappointing.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

What's the difference between OPS and OPS+?

 

 

A player with an OPS+ of 100 is considered average offensively. A player like Devers with an OPS+ of 155 means he's 55% better than the average offensive player.

[FredLynn]

A player with an OPS+ of 100 is considered average offensively. A player like Devers with an OPS+ of 155 means he's 55% better than the average offensive player.

 

Doesn’t it take into account the home park?

Maybe that’s a different stat

[vegasbob]

Dalbec must look at Valdez and Duran and say, why can't I be like them. " I coulda been somebody"

[FredLynn]

From google:

 

“ OPS+ takes a player's on-base plus slugging percentage and normalizes the number across the entire league. It accounts for external factors like ballparks. It then adjusts so a score of 100 is league average, and 150 is 50 percent better than the league average.”

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ops%2B&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS1049US1049&oq=ops%2B&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyDAgAEEUYORixAxiABDIMCAEQABgUGIcCGIAEMgcIAhAAGIAEMgcIAxAAGIAEMgcIBBAAGIAEMgcIBRAAGIAEMgcIBhAAGIAEMgcIBxAAGIAEMgcICBAAGIAEMgcICRAAGIAE0gEINjA5NGowajSoAhOwAgHiAwQYASBf&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

From google:

 

“ OPS+ takes a player's on-base plus slugging percentage and normalizes the number across the entire league. It accounts for external factors like ballparks. It then adjusts so a score of 100 is league average, and 150 is 50 percent better than the league average.”

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ops%2B&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS1049US1049&oq=ops%2B&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyDAgAEEUYORixAxiABDIMCAEQABgUGIcCGIAEMgcIAhAAGIAEMgcIAxAAGIAEMgcIBBAAGIAEMgcIBRAAGIAEMgcIBhAAGIAEMgcIBxAAGIAEMgcICBAAGIAEMgcICRAAGIAE0gEINjA5NGowajSoAhOwAgHiAwQYASBf&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

 

Yup.That also explains why RBI are not part of the equation.

[FredLynn]

Trivia: who has the all time highest OPS+ and for extra credit how high was it?

[Maxbialystock]

He’s doing the best he can. But like the past several starts he has been disappointing.

 

You wouldn't know trying if it bit you in the ankle. He's gone 5 innings and given up 2 runs. If he goes one more inning and gives up 1 run, it will be a quality start. Toronto has 7 hits: 5 singles and 2 doubles. In the big 2 run rally in the 4th they had 4 ground ball singles.

 

Bello has been struggling for just about all of May and June, so the very last thing that can be said about tonight is that he is "not trying."

 

The other thing that bugs me about all this negativity is that the Sox are leading, 3-2 (now 4-2), and, if they win, it will be 5 straight. So why pick on Bello when he's already gone 5 innings while giving up 2 runs?

Edited June 20, 2024 by Maxbialystock

[Tedballgame]

Not getting the bunt down proves costly, almost!

[FredLynn]

You wouldn't know trying if it bit you in the ankle. He's gone 5 innings and give up 2 runs. If goes one more inning and gives up 1 run, it will be a quality start. Toronto has 7 hits: 5 singles and 2 doubles. In the big 2 run rally in the 4th they had 4 ground ball singles.

 

Bello has been struggling for just about all of May and June, so the very last thing that can be said about tonight is that he is "not trying."

 

The other thing that bugs me about all this negativity is that the Sox are leading, 3-2, and, if they win, it will be 5 straight. So why pick on Bello when he's already gone 5 innings while giving up 2 runs?

 

Show me where I said “he’s not trying”.

I said he’s been disappointing the past few starts-which is a fact.

Of course he’s trying. He simply was playing with fire by allowing too many baserunners. It’s a figure of speech. Chill.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Trivia: who has the all time highest OPS+ and for extra credit how high was it?

 

 

Is that for a career or single season?

 

If it's for a career, I'd guess Ruth. If it's for a single season, I'd guess Bonds.