July 22: BOS (Houck) vs NYY (Montgomery)

[iortiz]

Closing ain't easy. It is one of the highest pressure , most stressful things in sports . Everything is on your shoulders and all eyes are on you. Chad Green has good stuff , but the situation was too big for him last night. And you almost had to feel sorry for that kid , Kriske in the 10th. He was completely overwhelmed and wanted to be anywhere in the world but on that mound. What was Boone thinking ? We should appreciate Matt Barnes and how well he has taken to that role. Sox sweep the Yanks away.

 

...but some say clutch hitting/pitching doesn't exist lol

[moonslav59]

...but some say clutch hitting/pitching doesn't exist lol

 

Nobody says that.

 

We say it is not a repeatable or sustainable skill.

 

Big difference.

 

Of course there are clutch moments, clutch hits and pitching performances.

[moonslav59]

Here's the post about Perez I remembered.

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20093-June-3-BOS-(Perez)-HOU-(Odorizzi)?p=1390438&viewfull=1#post1390438

 

That was just before his implosion.

[Bellhorn04]

That was just before his implosion.

 

Exactly.

[moonslav59]

I just arrived home and just grabbed a beer and put on the TV the game again. My point stands. I would have PRed Dalbec for Duran. Duran would have scored, and the game at that point would have been 2-1 and still 2 outs with XB coming AB (with RISP) and the momentum at its pick but that's history.

 

We won anyways which is great, but in the later scenario the drama would have likely been avoided.

 

Said that Cora is a great manger, I have said that several times, but still, we can point out his decisions here and there and it doesn't mean we are complaining/ranting/bashing/bitching either LOL

 

How does being up 2-1 after 7, assuming Duran scores, which was not automatic, keep the Yanks from scoring 2 in the 8th?

 

We'd still be down 3-2 with no Bobby Dee big hit in the 9th.

[iortiz]

Nobody says that.

 

We say it is not a repeatable or sustainable skill.

 

Big difference.

 

Of course there are clutch moments, clutch hits and pitching performances.

 

No? Look at Montgomery's OPS against with RISP and without RISP.

[moonslav59]

Exactly.

 

It's a pain going back and finding tid bits like this.

 

I had to do it on 700's bashing of Pivetta.

[iortiz]

How does being up 2-1 after 7, assuming Duran scores, which was not automatic, keep the Yanks from scoring 2 in the 8th?

 

We'd still be down 3-2 with no Bobby Dee big hit in the 9th.

 

 

It doesn't work that way. A 2-1 game is a completely different situation scenario moving forward.

 

What is the record of the Sox after 7 innings and winning?

[moonslav59]

No? Look at Montgomery's OPS against with RISP and without RISP.

 

You still don't get our position.

 

Fine with disagreeing, but at least try to understand our position and stop misquoting us.

 

If 1000 people rolled the dice 100 times, they would not get the same results. Some would have wildly different results than others- by chance or luck- not by skill.

 

How can anyone know a certain player's numbers in a super small sample size that is often scattered over different games and seasons is just the results of dice-rolling or some skill they have or lack that caused the varying results?

 

Nobody can prove they are right.

 

[moonslav59]

It doesn't work that way. A 2-1 game is a completely different situation scenario moving forward.

 

What is the record of the Sox after 7 innings and winning?

 

Oh, "it doesn't work that way?"

 

You are the one doing all the assuming.

 

You assume Duran scores from 2B on an IF hit to SS.

 

You assume the Yanks don't score 6 in the 8th.

 

You assume Duran doesn't make an error later in the game to give the Yanks the lead.

 

Go ahead and think Cora is a bozo for not PR'ing Duran for Dalbec in the 7th. I think he knew what he was doing, and the results worked, precisely because Dalbec was able to hit in the 9th. There's no assumption, there. It happened.

[Bellhorn04]

It doesn't work that way. A 2-1 game is a completely different situation scenario moving forward.

 

What is the record of the Sox after 7 innings and winning?

 

By the same token, if the Sox PR Duran there, the Yankees are more aware of speed on second base and that may change their defensive alignment or what happens on the play.

 

When you change one thing, other things can change too.

[iortiz]

You still don't get our position.

 

Fine with disagreeing, but at least try to understand our position and stop misquoting us.

 

If 1000 people rolled the dice 100 times, they would not get the same results. Some would have wildly different results than others- by chance or luck- not by skill.

 

How can anyone know a certain player's numbers in a super small sample size that is often scattered over different games and seasons is just the results of dice-rolling or some skill they have or lack that caused the varying results?

 

Nobody can prove they are right.

 

The rolling the dice example doesn't apply here.

 

We are taking about managing pressure. Some can. Some can't. it's that simple.

[iortiz]

Oh, "it doesn't work that way?"

 

You are the one doing all the assuming.

 

You assume Duran scores from 2B on an IF hit to SS.

 

You assume the Yanks don't score 6 in the 8th.

 

You assume Duran doesn't make an error later in the game to give the Yanks the lead.

 

Go ahead and think Cora is a bozo for not PR'ing Duran for Dalbec in the 7th. I think he knew what he was doing, and the results worked, precisely because Dalbec was able to hit in the 9th. There's no assumption, there. It happened.

 

yeah, everything is an assumption BUT saying Duran scores there and we likely win after 7 with the lead is/was very likely.

[Bellhorn04]

yeah, everything is an assumption BUT saying Duran scores there and we likely win after 7 with the lead is/was very likely.

 

Ottavino didn't have it last night. The extra run was unlikely to change that.

[iortiz]

By the same token, if the Sox PR Duran there, the Yankees are more aware of speed on second base and that may change their defensive alignment or what happens on the play.

 

When you change one thing, other things can change too.

 

 

The D shift would have been the same for Devers Bell, whether Duran is at 2nd or not.

[iortiz]

Ottavino didn't have it last night. The extra run was unlikely to change that.

 

 

In a 2-1 game the mind set is different specially in a pitcher. The calling game by Vaz is different too.

[Bellhorn04]

In a 2-1 game the mind set is different specially in a pitcher. The calling game by Vaz is different too.

 

I think Ottavino has probably blown a few 1 run leads in his career.

[iortiz]

I think Ottavino has probably blown a few 1 run leads in his career.

 

This year he's been spectacular holding leads.

[moonslav59]

Inherited Runners Scored %

 

5% Ottavino

14% Sawamura

20% Barnes

25% Taylor

29% DHern

33% Rios

 

35% League

 

38% Whitlock

45% Workman

50% Valdez

83% Brice

100% Andriese

 

(31% team)

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Save%

100% Valdez (1-1)

83% Barnes (20-24)

70% Ottavinoe (7-10)

 

62% League

 

50% Whitlock (1-2)

25% Andriese (1-4)

0% DHern (0-3)

 

69% Team