trade deadline

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks traded 6, 8, 12, 20, and 22 on BA’s mid season list, so not exactly blowing up the farm here. I’m tepid on the moves. I don’t think they gave up a ton while improving a bit. Gallo is a 2022 piece, so that’s one positive thing. Rizzo helps even out the lineup and gives that leadership component that the Yanks sorely lack for this year only. I’m intrigued to see who gets Voit, although he may be too damaged to move and stays as a 2022 piece

[jacksonianmarch]

Dodgers deal off Gray and Ruiz, their #4 and #1 prospects and get 1.3 years of Turner and a stretch run from Scherzer. Scherzer steps into the void from Bauer's departure. Kershaw, Scherzer, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin. May comes back some time next year. Maybe Bauer comes back next year. Edited July 30, 2021 by jacksonianmarch

[d-money]

Somebody tell me how the dodgers acquired Danny Duffy and max scherzer? Baseball is becoming a joke. Is the dodgers farm system this rich? This is ridiculous.

[d-money]

Dodgers deal off Gray and Ruiz, their #4 and #1 prospects and get 1.3 years of Turner and a stretch run from Scherzer. Scherzer steps into the void from Bauer's departure. Kershaw, Scherzer, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin. May comes back some time next year. Maybe Bauer comes back next year.

 

Are those things legit prospects ready to play? Frankly baseball is becoming a joke. The dodgers have become the lakers of MLB.

[d-money]

Dodgers deal off Gray and Ruiz, their #4 and #1 prospects and get 1.3 years of Turner and a stretch run from Scherzer. Scherzer steps into the void from Bauer's departure. Kershaw, Scherzer, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin. May comes back some time next year. Maybe Bauer comes back next year.

 

They added Duffy as well.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Dodgers deal off Gray and Ruiz, their #4 and #1 prospects and get 1.3 years of Turner and a stretch run from Scherzer. Scherzer steps into the void from Bauer's departure. Kershaw, Scherzer, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin. May comes back some time next year. Maybe Bauer comes back next year.

 

Jax man have to apologize.Yankees got a s*** ton better today and Boston frankly is static until Sale .The yankees lineup with Gio ,LeM,Rizzo ,That big ass dude from Texas scares the s*** out of me and I guarantee all the ALeast pitchers .They are frightening now and for anyone to say different is full of s*** .

[d-money]

It’s funny how these teams have helped the most hated teams with the biggest payrolls.

[d-money]

What’s the dodgers payroll this year? Do they have a luxury tax?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Somebody tell me how the dodgers acquired Danny Duffy and max scherzer? Baseball is becoming a joke. Is the dodgers farm system this rich? This is ridiculous.

 

 

Nah it’s fair we are just getting owned by better GMs

[moonslav59]

Jax man have to apologize.Yankees got a s*** ton better today and Boston frankly is static until Sale .The yankees lineup with Gio ,LeM,Rizzo ,That big ass dude from Texas scares the s*** out of me and I guarantee all the ALeast pitchers .They are frightening now and for anyone to say different is full of s*** .

 

The deadline is tomorrow.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Can we trade Vaz and promote Wong ? Have Pawlecky take over .

[Swiharts Ghost]

The deadline is tomorrow.

 

Moon you are kinda the voice of reason but man what the hell are we waiting for huh ?

[Noles_1335]

Starting to agree with most here… Bloom is getting taken to the woodshed! The clock is ticking… if tonight’s performance doesn’t scream out the need for a true 1-2 kinda guy something awful! And news flash… it’s not a guarantee Sale comes back and truly walks on water again! Get it together Bloom!!!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Our pen is fine. Plus, if we add a SP'er, we'll move Richards to the pen.

 

Hopefully, you mean the State Pen.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Sure would have been nice to have Rizzo for the Tampa Bay series what about Santana ? How about Cron ? Rafy is f***ing dinged up and we get Destroyed tonight annnnnnnnd Nothing ????????? WTF

[moonslav59]

Moon you are kinda the voice of reason but man what the hell are we waiting for huh ?

 

You obviously don't know my position.

 

The deadline is tomorrow. We were never going to trade enough to becoem faves over the Dodgers and Padres. Never.

 

We will make a move(s) to improve without hurting the future.

 

We will go for broke in a year or two, and look to surprise this October.

 

Sit back and enjoy the rest season we are having. Why bust a nut over nothing?

 

Did you really want us to outbid the Dodgers and piss away our future?

 

We just drafted a whizz and lose a bunch of salary, this winter.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

This is f***ing Dumb as f*** if he gets hurt

[moonslav59]

Hopefully, you mean the State Pen.

 

I'd be fine trading or DFA'ing Richards, but I do think he's better than Workman & Andriese.

[Swiharts Ghost]

You obviously don't know my position.

 

The deadline is tomorrow. We were never going to trade enough to becoem faves over the Dodgers and Padres. Never.

 

We will make a move(s) to improve without hurting the future.

 

We will go for broke in a year or two, and look to surprise this October.

 

Sit back and enjoy the rest season we are having. Why bust a nut over nothing?

 

Did you really want us to outbid the Dodgers and piss away our future?

 

We just drafted a whizz and lose a bunch of salary, this winter.

 

Moon me either but man we are riiiiiiiiiiiiight there like Riiiiiiiiiiiiight there we need a 1b terribly bad and we have an extremely important Series tomorrow and this Bloom slow walks an obviousl need ? Come on man ? Santana ? Aguilar ? Ramirez ? Hellll why not go get Freeman ? FFS we are the Boston f***ing Redsox Moon

[moonslav59]

Moon me either but man we are riiiiiiiiiiiiight there like Riiiiiiiiiiiiight there we need a 1b terribly bad and we have an extremely important Series tomorrow and this Bloom slow walks an obviousl need ? Come on man ? Santana ? Aguilar ? Ramirez ? Hellll why not go get Freeman ? FFS we are the Boston f***ing Redsox Moon

 

I've said all along, something like Gray and Santana or Boyd and Schoop. (a rental and a 1 more year guy)

 

That makes us better than NYY, TOR, TBR and about even with HOU & CWS while retaining our future goals intact.

 

Disagree, if you want, but my position is logical and valid.

[moonslav59]

Why repeat what made us like 2020?

 

Some memories are very short.

[jacksonianmarch]

This trade wasn’t about Scherzer. This trade was about Turner. Turner is on pace for a 6 WAR season. They now control him through 2022. Scherzer was icing on the cake. Ruiz was blocked. Smith isn’t arb eligible until 2023 and he’s on pace for a 5 war season, so Ruiz was gonna get dealt at some point. Scherzer slides into Bauer’s spot that can get filled second half of 2022 with May or Ferguson returning from TJS. They’re deep on the hill and Gray was passed as the top pitching prospect in the system by Miller.

 

Turner also fills their biggest hole in 2022 with everyone widely expecting Corey Seager to leave via FA and go to the Yankees. For 21, Turner gives them one hell of an infield with Muncy, Turner X2, Taylor and Seager plus Bellinger if need be. They’re stacked

[harmony]

You obviously don't know my position.

 

The deadline is tomorrow. We were never going to trade enough to becoem faves over the Dodgers and Padres. Never.

The Red Sox need to get past the American League favorites before worrying about the Dodgers and Padres:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

[moonslav59]

This trade wasn’t about Scherzer. This trade was about Turner. Turner is on pace for a 6 WAR season. They now control him through 2022. Scherzer was icing on the cake. Ruiz was blocked. Smith isn’t arb eligible until 2023 and he’s on pace for a 5 war season, so Ruiz was gonna get dealt at some point. Scherzer slides into Bauer’s spot that can get filled second half of 2022 with May or Ferguson returning from TJS. They’re deep on the hill and Gray was passed as the top pitching prospect in the system by Miller.

 

Turner also fills their biggest hole in 2022 with everyone widely expecting Corey Seager to leave via FA and go to the Yankees. For 21, Turner gives them one hell of an infield with Muncy, Turner X2, Taylor and Seager plus Bellinger if need be. They’re stacked

 

They will likely extend Scherzer to longer than Turner.

 

It was about both and going for 3 rings in row.

 

Then reset and make room for the Sox in 2023.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Red Sox have a developing but still not even average farm. Adding Mayer absolutely helps, but he’s one player. Durran has warts in his game, but needs a bit more time. Downs has faded. Casas has been worth the price of admission. To make a deal of the magnitude the Dodgers made would have rendered your cupboard bare. Bloom isn’t a one year wonder guy. He’s not building to have it all end next year. I don’t think he is entirely sold on the state of the Red Sox to go all in. He just isn’t. Too many variables and too little traceable assets below the big league level to make a major move. I keep telling you guys this, but you don’t seem to want to hear it. Bloom is a Friedman acolyte. Friedman has turned the Dodgers into a farm system machine and he uses that farm as currency to stay ahead of everyone else. Until Bloom gets that level of prospect cache, he isn’t making a big deal

[Swiharts Ghost]

I've said all along, something like Gray and Santana or Boyd and Schoop. (a rental and a 1 more year guy)

 

That makes us better than NYY, TOR, TBR and about even with HOU & CWS while retaining our future goals intact.

 

Disagree, if you want, but my position is logical and valid.

Freaking love that about you bud . Sale Houck Evoldi Pivetta Is still a hell of staff .Can I please get Santana or Ramirez from Bloom is this too much to ask ?

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox have a developing but still not even average farm. Adding Mayer absolutely helps, but he’s one player. Durran has warts in his game, but needs a bit more time. Downs has faded. Casas has been worth the price of admission. To make a deal of the magnitude the Dodgers made would have rendered your cupboard bare. Bloom isn’t a one year wonder guy. He’s not building to have it all end next year. I don’t think he is entirely sold on the state of the Red Sox to go all in. He just isn’t. Too many variables and too little traceable assets below the big league level to make a major move. I keep telling you guys this, but you don’t seem to want to hear it. Bloom is a Friedman acolyte. Friedman has turned the Dodgers into a farm system machine and he uses that farm as currency to stay ahead of everyone else. Until Bloom gets that level of prospect cache, he isn’t making a big deal

 

In short, this was not the time to go all in.

[jacksonianmarch]

There are too many position players on the market for the Sox not to snag one. My bet is Aguilar as he won’t cost much and is a FA after the year. Bloom likely flexibility

[moonslav59]

There is still a lot of talent left out there.

 

I doubt we go as high as Berrios, but we can get something useful, and hopeful more than just a rental.

[jacksonianmarch]

In short, this was not the time to go all in.

 

It’s absolutely not. The Sox top of the farm is looking better with Mayer, Durran, Casas and even Downs coming off a down year. Where the Sox lack even a semblance of anything good is beyond that first top tier. You’ve got Jimenez deep in the system, but that middle is what’s not there. You don’t have the High A or AA guys who are a tier below your top 100 guys that are usually the most tradeable assets.if you want to make a move, you’re gonna have to either get a rental who’s really cheap or sell off a top asset and it’s not the right time for that