Bloom move your asssssss

[notin]

To my way of thinking no GM should ever make a deal just to make a deal even if it is a good one. Deals should only be made if the club is better off after the deal than before.

 

 

And how many offers like that has Bloom received?

[Elktonnick]

And how many offers like that has Bloom received?

 

You once again ask the wrong question. The right question is would he recognize a good deal if it were offered? We have no proof one way or another that he would.

[Elktonnick]

But we have irrefutable proof of your impatience

I waited 57 years for the Sox to win it all. I don't think I am in a position to wait that long again.

[notin]

I waited 57 years for the Sox to win it all. I don't think I am in a position to wait that long again.

 

I am pretty sure they’ll get that second title before 2061.

[Elktonnick]

I am pretty sure they’ll get that second title before 2061.

I am sure someone in 1918 said the same thing and look how that turned out.

[notin]

You once again ask the wrong question. The right question is would he recognize a good deal if it were offered? We have no proof one way or another that he would.

 

Sorry. I was busy watching some goal posts whiz by.

 

Back to Bloom. Previously, you have accused Bloom of not moving due to being overly analytical as well as of waffling in the face of the Boston fans and media. How do you support those accusations when you yourself admit making deals should be dependent on one specific criterion? So to you I ask, do we know one way or another that there has ever been a deal presented that makes the Red Sox a better team?

[notin]

I am sure someone in 1918 said the same thing and look how that turned out.

 

 

Ummmm... you do realize that the Sox have won THREE World Series titles since 2004, right?

[Swiharts Ghost]

If I’m Bloom, I don’t attach anyone to Betts, I try to maximize my return for him.

 

Betts for Seager, Maeda, and a prospect. Likely not gonna get one of their top 5, but can probably sneak a top 10 guy from them

 

Jax ....good job man .

[moonslav59]

To my way of thinking no GM should ever make a deal just to make a deal even if it is a good one. Deals should only be made if the club is better off after the deal than before.

 

The real issue here is none of us knows what Bloom's actual instructions from Henry really are. We all presume that it is to get below the LT. However since making that somewhat oblique remark several months ago other statements coming out folks like Kennedy seem to indicate that getting below the LT may not be the absolute bottom line goal that Bloom is trying to achieve. We may all think it is but none of us really knows for certain.

 

Again for my part, I think there is a lot of misdirection and possible disinformation being spread about Boston's intentions. This may be done to obscure some move that may surprise us all. I suspect that this may be the case to prevent other clubs from disrupting whatever Boston plays to do since unlike other clubs the Sox aren't in a position to merely throw money at the problem, like the Yankees have done with Cole, to achieve their objectives.

 

If it's a "good deal" then it helps the club.

 

While we may not be "better off" after trading Betts, if Bloom has a mandate, then choosing the best deal is all we can hope for.

 

You're right; we don't know, but I'm working on the assumption that we will cut some salary.

[Elktonnick]

Sorry. I was busy watching some goal posts whiz by.

 

Back to Bloom. Previously, you have accused Bloom of not moving due to being overly analytical as well as of waffling in the face of the Boston fans and media. How do you support those accusations when you yourself admit making deals should be dependent on one specific criterion? So to you I ask, do we know one way or another that there has ever been a deal presented that makes the Red Sox a better team?

 

Again wrong question, the right question is would Bloom know. I can only go by the fact that nothing has been done. So based on the known quantifiables Bloom has accomplished nothing.

[Elktonnick]

Ummmm... you do realize that the Sox have won THREE World Series titles since 2004, right?

You do know that in 1918 the Sox had just won the title and had won a number of titles previously but it would be 86 years until they would win another one. That is why I chose 1918.

[harmony]

Again wrong question, the right question is would Bloom know. I can only go by the fact that nothing has been done. So based on the known quantifiables Bloom has accomplished nothing.

Chaim Bloom presumably had a role in signing Jose Peraza and Martin Perez ... for better or worse, those signings were quantifiable.

[Elktonnick]

Chaim Bloom presumably had a role in signing Jose Peraza and Martin Perez ... for better or worse, those signings were quantifiable.

Wow stop the presses greatest move by a Red Sox GM since getting Ortiz. This changes everything. ....Nah. I don't think so!!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

I find it funny how he has bashed many of our proposals and his is a landslide coup in the Sox favor.

 

It’s what I’d ask for as the Sox GM. Some pitching help, a good position player and a prospect. It’s akin to the same deal I expected them to make with the Mutts. Matz, Nimmo and a prospect

[notin]

Again wrong question, the right question is would Bloom know. I can only go by the fact that nothing has been done. So based on the known quantifiables Bloom has accomplished nothing.

 

Given that Bloom does have a strong history of making deals that improve his club from his time in Tampa, we should conclude he does know this. That he hasn’t made any moves yet that you want to acknowledge doesn’t change this. Couple this with your input that deals should only be made to improve the club, and that the goal of no other GM is to improve the Red Sox, then the obvious conclusion is he isn’t seeing any good offers that are capable of improving the team.

 

We knew the answers to both questions. You just did not want to acknowledge that. Dombrowski made fewer mover the last two off-seasons at this point. Yet your impatience is new in the face of what is becoming the norm...

[moonslav59]

... then the obvious conclusion is he isn’t seeing any good offers that are capable of improving the team...

 

He could have several offers he likes on the table, right now, but he is trying to decide on the best one or group of deals, or he is waiting on another team's decision before deciding on plan B and or C, D...

 

We can't really assume much.

 

I'm guessing he makes several trades this winter- some perhaps big ones. Some maybe shocking.

[jacksonianmarch]

Some will be shocking. Some will probably piss of the fans. But if his history tells us anything, Bloom will likely win the majority of them

[Bellhorn04]

Alex Speier has been debunking the rumor about discussions with the Dodgers re Betts.

[moonslav59]

Alex Speier has been debunking the rumor about discussions with the Dodgers re Betts.

 

Could mean a deal is imminent!

[notin]

Wow stop the presses greatest move by a Red Sox GM since getting Ortiz. This changes everything. ....Nah. I don't think so!!!!

 

 

The Strawman Approach.

 

How do you know those aren’t good moves?

[notin]

Could mean a deal is imminent!

 

I’d prefer the imminent deal involve Price...

[jacksonianmarch]

I’d prefer the imminent deal involve Price...

 

I’ve been skeptical of a Price move from day 1. He makes too much money for anyone to take a risk on him and as his value is at an all time low, it means the Sox would be dealing a distressed asset.

 

The problem a lot of fans have is they don’t want to deal a guy when he’s going good but want him out the door when he’s bad. Yes, the Sox could deal Price, but why deal him now when they’d have to eat 2/3 of the contract? Wait til June and you might only have to eat 1/4 the contract. Now another wrinkle in the Price saga is that he becomes a 10-5 guy after the season. So if they don’t deal him this year, he’s gonna be able to veto any deal, so if you’re gonna move him, 2020 is the time

[moonslav59]

I’ve been skeptical of a Price move from day 1. He makes too much money for anyone to take a risk on him and as his value is at an all time low, it means the Sox would be dealing a distressed asset.

 

The problem a lot of fans have is they don’t want to deal a guy when he’s going good but want him out the door when he’s bad. Yes, the Sox could deal Price, but why deal him now when they’d have to eat 2/3 of the contract? Wait til June and you might only have to eat 1/4 the contract. Now another wrinkle in the Price saga is that he becomes a 10-5 guy after the season. So if they don’t deal him this year, he’s gonna be able to veto any deal, so if you’re gonna move him, 2020 is the time

 

Price still has a decent chance at providing quality pitching over the next 3 years. It's not unheard of for great pitchers to dip around age 30 and then go on to rediscover greatness or near greatness. With the lack of good pitching options out there, Price has value- even if most seems potential.

 

He's certainlt not worth near $32M/yr, but we don't need to cut $32M from the budget. Taking back some salary in exchange can help soften the financial strain on the other team while filling an open slot we have (1B, 2B, back up C & OF and P). The player we get back would be someone we'd have to hope has a resurgence, too, but with the savings on the budget, Bloom would have more chances to do his thing.

[Bellhorn04]

If I was the Dodgers I would have interest in Price if the Sox paid half. 3/48 for a pitcher of his pedigree seems like a decent risk to me.

[notin]

If I was the Dodgers I would have interest in Price if the Sox paid half. 3/48 for a pitcher of his pedigree seems like a decent risk to me.

 

If the Sox took back Pollock, it would be slightly more than half. But I think the goal is to take back as little money as possible...

[jacksonianmarch]

The Dodgers aren’t going to give up Pollock after one season. Also, I don’t think the Sox want Pollock. And heck, he’s under contract for longer than Price (Pollock’s fifth year is a player option).

[notin]

The Dodgers aren’t going to give up Pollock after one season. Also, I don’t think the Sox want Pollock. And heck, he’s under contract for longer than Price (Pollock’s fifth year is a player option).

 

 

I don’t know if either side wants Pollock or how badly, but his contract is likely not the issue. His AAV is substantially lower than Price’s. If you’re the Sox GM, is it better to pay Price $45-50mill to play elsewhere or take back a contract in that range that could fill a position of need?

[notin]

The Dodgers aren’t going to give up Pollock after one season. Also, I don’t think the Sox want Pollock. And heck, he’s under contract for longer than Price (Pollock’s fifth year is a player option).

 

 

And let’s not forget if we’re speaking for the Dodgers, Pollock was at minimum Plan B. They only signed him after missing out on Harper...

[Elktonnick]

The Strawman Approach.

 

How do you know those aren’t good moves?

 

Yea you are correct. Peraza and Perez are right up there with Ortiz and Manny Ramirez. What a freaking genius, how could Tampa ever let Bloom go.

[harmony]

Alex Speier has been debunking the rumor about discussions with the Dodgers re Betts.