Sox Trade Targets

[notin]

I originally focused on starters, but the Sox could/should be looking at relievers. Some candidates include:

 

Shane Greene. DD does like those ex-Tigers. Greene is having a career year and is signed through next season. Might be pricey.

 

Hansel Robles. Personally I think the primary reason the Angels haven’t made Buttrey the closer is they are trying to pump up the trade value and appeal of Robles.

 

Sean Doolittle. Certainly a favorite target of the Boston media, but I’m not sure Washington is waving the white flag just yet.

 

Greg Holland. Quietly having a good year, assuming AZ decides to sell.

 

David Hernandez. Quietly having a really good season. Cincy might not be selling yet, but I think they will.

 

Will Smith. I don’t think the Sox can pull this off, but I’d be negligent to not mention him.

[notin]

Cole is going away, and he’s a big part of their staff. Verlander is a 36 yr old power pitcher. He will eventually break down. Miley becomes a FA. Valdez is a nice pitcher. Whitley isn’t ready as he is dealing with an arm issue. McCullers may return well or not, who knows. Their rotation for 2020 is Verlander, Valdez, McCullers, and Peacock. 5th starter may be Whitley. That’s not a rotation that dominates.

 

They need to add, and since they’re maxed out financially, they’ll need to do so via the trade market. Stroman makes sense. Deal for him, add him to a front line with Verlander and Cole for this year and move him to your #2 for next year after Verlander

 

Springer moving on is huge. He was an MVP candidate before ripping his hammy. He’s a real good player and Tucker might be great, but not likely to be better than recent Springer.

 

 

They do have numerous other potential rotation arms from their stocked farm, including Josh James (ok he’s in the bullpen), Corbin Martin, JB Bukauskas, Cionel Perez, and Brandon Bialek.

 

But look at the Astros current team. How many players do they have anywhere that we’re acquired by dealing top level prospects?

[jacksonianmarch]

Right now, the AL has only 5 teams more than 5 games out of a playoff spot. The NL only has 2. That's 7 teams that are gonna be sellers. Looking at those 7 teams....

 

The Orioles-

Trey Mancini is their best chip, but he is injured and is the face of the rebuild. He is still on a prearb contract and has three more years of control. Teams getting him would have to spend a megaton of prospects to get him.

Andrew Cashner is available, but he's the rare sinkerballer with a high HR rate. He's a guy you could throw as your #5 guy and probably be fine, but he's nothing more than that on a contender. He's also getting $8 mil this year, so he's somewhat pricey

Other than that, the O's have spare parts that might be ok to get. Jonathan Villar, Reynato Nunez, etc are guys who could platoon or be second rate positional players. John Means is breaking out as a rookie, so they aren't gonna deal him if he becomes their ace. Dwight Smith has been a nice surprise, but he is also a rookie and isn't getting moved.

 

The Royals-

Their best trade chips are Merrifield and Kennedy. Merrifield signed a ridiculously cheap contract with KC and isn't being moved without a mega-return.

Kennedy has become a peripheral's dream as a closer, albeit with a high ERA and equally high contract. KC will have to eat some money, but at the expense of prospects

Alex Gordon has faded badly of late. Jorge Soler is finally hitting like they thought he would. In terms of the rotation, the Royals have a giant bag of below average garbage. Keller, Bailey, Peralta, and Junis are all 4.6-5.2ERA guys with WHIPs nearly identical at 1.4. Bailey at least has the K rate to predict improvement. The rest just stink.

 

The Mariners-

Fire sale had already begun. Haniger's season started meh, but he busted a nut (literally) and is now out til after the ASB. He isn't getting moved with this injury.

Gonzalez started out the year as the best starter in Marpril. Since then he has been a pile of horseshit.

Vogelbach has broken out to be the face of their lineup. Domingo Santana as well. Both are DH's, one just happens to play the OF.

Narvaez might be the best trade chip that is under the radar. Power hitting catcher who plays well enough D to stick. He has three more years of control, though, and the M's may think there is more room to his growth

Leake is really the only starter likely to be moved. His WHIP is under 1.3, yet his ERA is high due to his absolutely eye-popping HR rate (2 per 9)

Elias has been good, but not dominant and with a WHIP near 1.3, he isn't gonna return a closers ransom.

 

Blue Jays-

Aaron Sanchez has been hurt (what's new) and has sucked. He has another year of control, so I am sure the Jays think they can squeeze more value when he is playing well

Stroman is gonna get dealt. His value has never been higher. His return will be impressive

Eric Sogard is having a magical season, and will be moved for something of value

Justin Smoak will move once healthy.

Galvis will also move for something as a utility guy with pop

Ken Giles will be on the market with a 2020 arb year of control as well

 

Detroit Tigers

I doubt Turnbull and Boyd move. My guess is they pair those two with Fulmer next year and maybe Mize and try to grow a good rotation from within

Greene would be a great trade chip as he has just dominated this year. The rest of their rotation and pen is a bag of s***

They don't have a single regular above a .780OPS. Their team is either too old and sucky, too expensive or too young to move. The only guy with any value is Castellanos, but not at his rate of pay

 

Giants-

The biggest trade target could be... the Panda? .885OPS in 153 ABs and he honestly could be on the move to a team needing corner infield or DH help.

Bumgarner hasn't been good this year and his name will probably bring more back than his production, but as a rental it limits his return as well

SF is the place where great players go to die. Brandon Belt, Buster Posey, Evan Longoria. Guys who have had amazing seasons or careers in the past, all suck this year in SF. Maybe someone plucks them out of a hitters hell and sees if they can play anymore

Samardzija might be on the block, but SF would have to eat considerable cash to make it happen.

The Giants do have three of the top relievers on the market in Smith, Watson and Dyson. Smith has been nails. Watson and Dyson have outperformed their peripherals, but are still having good years. All 3 get moved, IMO.

 

Marlins

They surprisingly built a pretty good rotation with Richards, Alcantara and Smith leading the way.

Urena is out with an injury. He would have been their best trade chip except he stinks this year and is down with arm trouble.

Their pen has been absolutely awful. Maybe someone goes out and gets Guerrero to watch the gun light up, but he can barely find the dish

The only guy I see moving for anything of use is Neil Walker. He has quietly been their best hitter.

 

That's essentially the list of guys available now. Pick the ones you want to get and put a proposal that makes sense out there. Should be fun

[jacksonianmarch]

They do have numerous other potential rotation arms from their stocked farm, including Josh James (ok he’s in the bullpen), Corbin Martin, JB Bukauskas, Cionel Perez, and Brandon Bialek.

 

But look at the Astros current team. How many players do they have anywhere that we’re acquired by dealing top level prospects?

 

their two most important, Cole and Verlander

[moonslav59]

I originally focused on starters, but the Sox could/should be looking at relievers. Some candidates include:

 

Shane Greene. DD does like those ex-Tigers. Greene is having a career year and is signed through next season. Might be pricey.

 

Hansel Robles. Personally I think the primary reason the Angels haven’t made Buttrey the closer is they are trying to pump up the trade value and appeal of Robles.

 

Sean Doolittle. Certainly a favorite target of the Boston media, but I’m not sure Washington is waving the white flag just yet.

 

Greg Holland. Quietly having a good year, assuming AZ decides to sell.

 

David Hernandez. Quietly having a really good season. Cincy might not be selling yet, but I think they will.

 

Will Smith. I don’t think the Sox can pull this off, but I’d be negligent to not mention him.

 

Are we willing to part with Casas?

 

Does some GM really like Groome, Duran or DHernandez?

 

We can make trades like the Addison Reed trade, but would making 2 deals like that be enough?

[jacksonianmarch]

Are we willing to part with Casas?

 

Does some GM really like Groome, Duran or DHernandez?

 

We can make trades like the Addison Reed trade, but would making 2 deals like that be enough?

 

Parting with Casas now is like getting 2 quarters back when breaking a buck. You don't deal a guy who is playing well in A ball. If you really want to aggressively get value, you move him to AA and see if he can handle it.

[moonslav59]

Parting with Casas now is like getting 2 quarters back when breaking a buck. You don't deal a guy who is playing well in A ball. If you really want to aggressively get value, you move him to AA and see if he can handle it.

 

I wasn't saying I wanted to trade Casas, but if we want a guy like Wil Smith, he will probably have to head the offer.

[notin]

Are we willing to part with Casas?

 

Does some GM really like Groome, Duran or DHernandez?

 

We can make trades like the Addison Reed trade, but would making 2 deals like that be enough?

 

 

The Sox do have glut of slugging corner infielder types with Devers, Chavis, Dalbec and Casas. But I’m hoping they hold Casas.

 

Maybe some GM has more faith in Jarren Duran than I do. I like Darwinzon Hernandez, but I won’t miss him. But I’d rather move Dalbec than Hernandez, Duran, Casas, Houck or Shawaryn...

[jacksonianmarch]

Dalbec has more value right now just due to proximity and positional value. He just isn’t enough to return anything big

[moonslav59]

Dalbec has more value right now just due to proximity and positional value. He just isn’t enough to return anything big

 

Dalbec plus DHern or Duran could get us something very nice.

[harmony]

Dalbec plus DHern or Duran could get us something very nice.

That could solidify the Red Sox ranking among farm systems.

[moonslav59]

That could solidify the Red Sox ranking among farm systems.

 

True, and I'm hoping we can find deals more like the Eovaldi and Reed ones than to try and get Wil Smith for our top propsects.

[notin]

That could solidify the Red Sox ranking among farm systems.

 

 

Eh.

 

Ranked, say, 25th vs ranked 30th. Does it really make that much of a difference?

[notin]

Notin Google Hunter Renfroe do your own work I don't have to prove s*** when it's true you on the other hand can prove me wrong .Go look at all his late inning HR look at the Blast GS off Kenley this year look up what his teammates think of Hunter !!.Hey he's a lot like Jake Peavey Notin .The guy is simple loves To Hunt and play baseball .Please understand He's a fit to me both as a teammate a total baseball dirt dog .Love this guys makeup .

 

 

Doing a little more background work on Renfroe lead me to the conclusion that he isn’t any better in the clutch (if you believe in it) than Benintendi. Didn’t see much about his teammates live for him, but most likely, he falls into that massive category most players fall into where some like him and some don’t.

 

But really, that San Diego is trying to move him during the best stretch of his career screams that they’re selling high because they don’t believe this level of production is sustainable . And no one knows him better than the Padres.

 

It’s similar to how the Yankees are hyping Clint Frazier during his hot streak as some bat speed monster right-handed power machine. Yet they still went out and dealt for Encarnacion when they needed right-handed pop rather than just using the guy already in the Bronx...

[harmony]

Eh.

 

Ranked, say, 25th vs ranked 30th. Does it really make that much of a difference?

FanGraphs offered pre-draft farm system rankings on May 30:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/pre-draft-farm-system-rankings/

 

A less-recognized source offered rankings after the draft:

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2839611-ranking-all-30-mlb-farm-systems-post-2019-mlb-draft#slide0

[Swiharts Ghost]

Any Deal involving a game changing reliever or starter will be headlined by Casas.I love this kid he's got everything you look for but we are the Boston Redsox and time is not on Casas side this year.To have a realistic opportunity to win the World Series we need to go all in and sadly all in means Casas he's the prize .

[moonslav59]

Eh.

 

Ranked, say, 25th vs ranked 30th. Does it really make that much of a difference?

 

Not really, but it would be nice to see us moving in the right direction.

 

I know, when you are 30th there's only one way to go, unless it's sideways.

[notin]

Any Deal involving a game changing reliever or starter will be headlined by Casas.I love this kid he's got everything you look for but we are the Boston Redsox and time is not on Casas side this year.To have a realistic opportunity to win the World Series we need to go all in and sadly all in means Casas he's the prize .

 

 

For a substantial player, Casas is the clear cut prize.

 

But for lesser yet still helpful pieces, I hope it can be done without him.

 

I consider Shane Greene - 30 years old, makes $1.9mill this ear and $4mill next season - a likely trade target. He’s having a career year so far outside his norms, it’s a definitive outlier.

 

But Detroit isn’t going to give him away. Would Greene command Casas plus? I’d be surprised if Dalbec/Hernandez got it done...

[moonslav59]

For a substantial player, Casas is the clear cut prize.

 

But for lesser yet still helpful pieces, I hope it can be done without him.

 

I consider Shane Greene - 30 years old, makes $1.9mill this ear and $4mill next season - a likely trade target. He’s having a career year so far outside his norms, it’s a definitive outlier.

 

But Detroit isn’t going to give him away. Would Greene command Casas plus? I’d be surprised if Dalbec/Hernandez got it done...

 

I don't think the price will be that high. There will be 16-18 sellers by the deadline.

[notin]

I don't think the price will be that high. There will be 16-18 sellers by the deadline.

 

Unfortunately for the Sox, they can be easily outbid by the 12-14 buyers, barring some sort of drastic overhaul...

[moonslav59]

Unfortunately for the Sox, they can be easily outbid by the 12-14 buyers, barring some sort of drastic overhaul...

 

You are assuming other teams will overpay. Also, there should/could be more good RP'ers available than teams are willing to trade for.

[notin]

You are assuming other teams will overpay. Also, there should/could be more good RP'ers available than teams are willing to trade for.

 

 

Oh there will be plenty of relievers available. But how many worth acquiring is another matter...

[harmony]

Oh there will be plenty of relievers available. But how many worth acquiring is another matter...

It's a crap shoot.

 

The Red Sox hit the jackpot last year with the midseason acquisitions of Steve Pearce and Nathan Eovaldi, who overperformed for the Sox in 2018 before plummeting back to Earth this season.

[d-money]

I see a lot of players linked to the skankees. Like they need help. That team’s on another level right now. God i hate those damn skankees!!

[Bellhorn04]

It's a crap shoot.

 

The Red Sox hit the jackpot last year with the midseason acquisitions of Steve Pearce and Nathan Eovaldi, who overperformed for the Sox in 2018 before plummeting back to Earth this season.

 

You call getting injured 'plummeting back to Earth'?

[notin]

You call getting injured 'plummeting back to Earth'?

 

 

Well, plummeting back to Earth certainly sounds like it could be painful...

[bertha]

Loving this thread, very interesting discussion Edited June 25, 2019 by bertha

[moonslav59]

Oh there will be plenty of relievers available. But how many worth acquiring is another matter...

 

Was acquiring Addison Reed or his type this year worth it?

 

What did he cost?

 

These are rhetorical questions.

 

I think there will be more good RP'ers available than contending teams need. The prices will be low.

 

It's still a crap shoot on whoever we pick up, but I think the odds are better picking someone up in July who has been doing well this year than signing someone in the winter after a good or decent previous season.

 

Just hope it's not our next Eric Gagne.

 

[harmony]

You call getting injured 'plummeting back to Earth'?

Nathan Eovaldi has a career ERA+ of 95 and had posted an ERA+ of 99 in 10 starts with the Tampa Bay Rays last year before his outlier overperformance with the Red Sox.

 

Well-wishes to Eovaldi but his $68 million contract is among the riskier around.

[harmony]

Was acquiring Addison Reed or his type this year worth it?

 

What did he cost?

 

These are rhetorical questions.

 

I think there will be more good RP'ers available than contending teams need. The prices will be low.

 

It's still a crap shoot on whoever we pick up, but I think the odds are better picking someone up in July who has been doing well this year than signing someone in the winter after a good or decent previous season.

 

Just hope it's not our next Eric Gagne.

At the trade deadline three years ago the Los Angeles Dodgers acquired reliever Josh Fields from the Houston Astros for 19-year-old Yordan Alvarez, who was about six months younger than Triston Casas' current age.

 

https://therunnersports.com/yordan-alvarez-for-josh-fields-trade-threatens-to-top-astros-jeff-bagwell-steal-of-1990/

 

It's always a gamble.