7/10 Texas Rangers at Fenway

[jung]

The ERA gap from top to bottom this year looks huge only because of Houston. Their ERA is 0.60 better than second place.

 

Take out that massive outlier and see if it's much different than previous years.

 

Oh Houston is not in the league? I didn't know that. You can make numbers make any argument you want to. But there is no such thing as calling a MLB franchise in a given Championship season an outlier. The numbers are the numbers. If they are not in a pickle why is Manfred talking about curtailing the shift? Why is scoring down in the face of all this power baseball nonsense. It sure as heck is not quality pitching! And lets not even get started on this rocket ship baseball they play the game with now.

Edited July 11, 2018 by jung

[Bellhorn04]

Oh Houston is not in the league? I didn't know that. You can make numbers make any argument you want to. But there is no such thing as calling a MLB franchise in a given Championship season an outlier. The numbers are the numbers. If they are not in a pickle why is Manfred talking about curtailing the shift? Why is scoring down in the face of all this power baseball nonsense. It sure is heck is not quality pitching! And lets not even get started on this rocket ship baseball they play the game with now.

 

So you're saying:

 

-The ball is juiced

-Scoring is down

-But pitching is terrible

[Slasher9]

So you're saying:

 

-The ball is juiced

-Scoring is down

-But pitching is terrible

 

The middle point looks weird in between points 1 and 3.....if this is a game of which one doesn’t belong...I pick #2...

Edited July 11, 2018 by Slasher9

[mvp 78]

They read like a Grumpy Old Men's Club meeting.

 

The problem is that even if one or two posters are doing it in jest, all the other nonsense from our typical scrubs just makes it annoying to read. I'm finding myself logging on less often during games now.

[Slasher9]

The problem is that even if one or two posters are doing it in jest, all the other nonsense from our typical scrubs just makes it annoying to read. I'm finding myself logging on less often during games now.

 

It’s worht reading simply for splinters humor. Dude is funny AF

[Kimmi]

Swihart had a very nice game last night. Good for him.

 

Nice defense from Bogaerts, Bradley, and Betts.

 

The Yankees lost again to the Os.

 

Life is good.

[mvp 78]

It’s worht reading simply for splinters humor. Dude is funny AF

 

I just need to put a few of the more annoying posters on ignore and then the other s*** wouldn't bother me.

[jung]

So you're saying:

 

-The ball is juiced

-Scoring is down

-But pitching is terrible

 

They don't count how far. They just count how many in this game. The juiced ball is a draw to the power crowd and that is about it.

 

I have been saying all along that hitters as a group (everyday players) are not that what they should be, but that the pitching asset in MLB is actually worse. MLB is concentrating on power hitting to the exclusion of every other everyday player asset including bat control, hitting to all fields and bunting. If you want to discuss this with me, find a fact you like to make your point and bring it up. Don't try to pick apart my argument. Because the only way to use the middle point as a point of contention is to have not read my posts. That is horse bleep!

[Bellhorn04]

They don't count how far. They just count how many in this game. The juiced ball is a draw to the power crowd and that is about it.

 

I have been saying all along that hitters as a group (everyday players) are not that what they should be, but that the pitching asset in MLB is actually worse. MLB is concentrating on power hitting to the exclusion of every other everyday player asset including bat control, hitting to all fields and bunting. If you want to discuss this with me, find a fact you like to make your point and bring it up. Don't try to pick apart my argument. Because the only way to use the middle point as a point of contention is to have not read my posts. That is horse bleep!

 

Well, I'm a numbers guy.

 

Show me some numbers that support your position about how bad the pitching is now.

 

Because I certainly can't find them.

[Maxbialystock]

The problem is that even if one or two posters are doing it in jest, all the other nonsense from our typical scrubs just makes it annoying to read. I'm finding myself logging on less often during games now.

 

Not good for the rest of us. I prefer real discussion and insights and funny comments, but tolerate the nonsense because people gotta vent.

[Maxbialystock]

Well, I'm a numbers guy.

 

Show me some numbers that support your position about how bad the pitching is now.

 

Because I certainly can't find them.

 

See the Yankees series--all three games were shutdowns--by Sabathia, Sale, and Severino.

 

Our pitching during this streak isn't as good as back in April, but the hitting is better. Of our rotation right now, Sale is an ace and Porcello and ERod are pretty good, but Price is a question mark right now but could return to form. Wright should be excellent when he returns. I hope Pomeranz never returns.

[mvp 78]

They don't count how far. They just count how many in this game. The juiced ball is a draw to the power crowd and that is about it.

 

A juiced ball increases the count of homers tho?

[mvp 78]

Not good for the rest of us. I prefer real discussion and insights and funny comments, but tolerate the nonsense because people gotta vent.

 

I put a few people on ignore and reread the gamethread. It was much better. There was still a good amount of snark which is fine. I just get tired of some of the nonsense around here.

[jung]

Well, I'm a numbers guy.

 

Show me some numbers that support your position about how bad the pitching is now.

 

Because I certainly can't find them.

 

Did I not say this has been an issue that has been brewing to the surface for about 5 years now?

ERA mean average:

2018 YTD: 4.10

2017: 4.33

2016: 4.12

2015: 3.99

2014: 3.93

2013: 3.98

 

Hasn't reached steriod/heavy PED era levels yet but that should not be a surprise. Again both the hitting and the pitching are not ML level across the league. As such, I would not expect a huge year over year increase in mean average ERA because it depressed by the lack of all around hitters. The numbers support my contention, most notably the spectrum of ERA from top to bottom. Your eyes should support it as well or do we want to accept as "logical" that these kids are just all Mookies and Trouts which is what the various team PR depts and the league PR dept want us to believe. Frankly unless they are Mookies and Trouts there is no logical baseball reason for them to be here yet...just a PR reason and a lack of talent in MLB generally that forces this issue. Then it should also be clear that we have an inordinate number of players that are hampered by their multiple injuries absorbed over time that should just be out of baseball but that can continue to play because nobody is good enough to take their spots (the Blue Jays are the poster child for that one).

 

Another laughable absurdity is the number of older pitchers than can survive on junk because these guys can't hit!!!!! Show them a FB and they are all over it. Anything else...NOT SO MUCH. Well guess what. Every decent high school ballplayer that ever lived could hit a FB.

[Maxbialystock]

Did I not say this has been an issue that has been brewing to the surface for about 5 years now?

ERA mean average:

2018 YTD: 4.10

2017: 4.33

2016: 4.12

2015: 3.99

2014: 3.93

2013: 3.98

 

Hasn't reached steriod/heavy PED era levels yet but that should not be a surprise. Again both the hitting and the pitching are not ML level across the league. As such, I would not expect a huge year over year increase in mean average ERA because it depressed by the lack of all around hitters. The numbers support my contention, most notably the spectrum of ERA from top to bottom. Your eyes should support it as well or do we want to accept as "logical" that these kids are just all Mookies and Trouts which is what the various team PR depts and the league PR dept want us to believe. Frankly unless they are Mookies and Trouts there is no logical baseball reason for them to be here yet...just a PR reason and a lack of talent in MLB generally that forces this issue. Then it should also be clear that we have an inordinate number of players that are hampered by their multiple injuries absorbed over time that should just be out of baseball but that can continue to play because nobody is good enough to take their spots (the Blue Jays are the poster child for that one).

 

Another laughable absurdity is the number of older pitchers than can survive on junk because these guys can't hit!!!!! Show them a FB and they are all over it. Anything else...NOT SO MUCH. Well guess what. Every decent high school ballplayer that ever lived could hit a FB.

 

Just a small thought. I always thought it was the combination of pitches that kept hitters off balance. Kimbrel, for example, is dead meat anytime he can't throw his knuckle curve for strikes. Ditto Sale. That said, it also helps when the curve or changeup or slider or sinker/splitter has a sharp break down. Location also helps.

[jung]

And before the MFY's start chilling the champagne they have too young disease like the blue jays have too broken down disease.