Red Sox get Carp

[Spitball]

I don't want to burst your bubble about the guy, but Wily Mo Pena well outperformed Carp on that 2011 Tacoma team. Eight players on that team had OPS over .900 and 4 of them were over .1000, including Ryan Langerhans. Carp's 2011 at Tacoma probably doesn't mean too much. He's a mediocre player with a below average glove.

 

Wily Mo Pena played 13 games for Tacoma in 2011. Of those other players OPSing over .900, Trayvon Robinson played three games for Tacoma and Kyle Seager played 24.

[Bellhorn04]

You are right. I don't like how this smelts. This Carp is no keeper. Hopefully, the Sox FO will do the right thing and catch and release.

 

If we release him, he'll probably get scooped up by the Rays or the Marlins.

[a700hitter]

Wily Mo Pena played 13 games for Tacoma in 2011. Of those other players OPSing over .900, Trayvon Robinson played three games for Tacoma and Kyle Seager played 24.

The link below to the Tacoma team stats showed that Pena played 76 games and hit 25 HRs, that Langerhans OPSd at over 1.000 playing 95 games and Carp played only 66 games. I didn't notice the last column, noting that 3 of the 8 guys had played for 2 teams. Nevertheless, the 2011 team had some over-weighted offensive stats with 8 guys OPSing at .846 or above.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=1321ffc8

[Spitball]

The link below to the Tacoma team stats showed that Pena played 76 games and hit 25 HRs, that Langerhans OPSd at over 1.000 playing 95 games and Carp played only 66 games. I didn't notice the last column, noting that 3 of the 8 guys had played for 2 teams. Nevertheless, the 2011 team had some over-weighted offensive stats with 8 guys OPSing at .846 or above.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/team.cgi?id=1321ffc8

 

Pena played in 13 games with Tacoma, Langerhans 57, and Robinson 3.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pena--002wil

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=langer001rya

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=robins001tra

 

The PCL is a hitters' league and the stats do have to be viewed from that perspective. But...I really can't fault Carp for having a good season no matter what.

[a700hitter]

Pena played in 13 games with Tacoma, Langerhans 57, and Robinson 3.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pena--002wil

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=langer001rya

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=robins001tra

 

The PCL is a hitters' league and the stats do have to be viewed from that perspective. But...I really can't fault Carp for having a good season no matter what.

Did you read my last post? I did not dispute what you were saying. I acknowledged having not read the last column of the Tacoma team stats that indicated that those stats were combined for 2 teams for 3 of the players. It doesn't change the point that 8 guys were raking on that team, so I stand by my point that Carp's 2011 Tacoma stats are not very indicative of major league performance.

[Spitball]

Did you read my last post? I did not dispute what you were saying. I acknowledged having not read the last column of the Tacoma team stats that indicated that those stats were combined for 2 teams for 3 of the players. It doesn't change the point that 8 guys were raking on that team, so I stand by my point that Carp's 2011 Tacoma stats are not very indicative of major league performance.

 

Of course I read your post. I posted the links to three players because you posted the entire roster which was misleading. Eight players is misleading because three players, Seager, Pena, and Robinson, barely played for the team.

 

That said, what is the difference? He had a very good season at Tacoma which is better than having an average or bad season. No one is suggesting Mike Carp will be a star in Boston. He is nothing more than a left handed component to balance out Gomes and Napoli. He is a better option than Oversby.

[a700hitter]

Of course I read your post. I posted the links to three players because you posted the entire roster which was misleading. Eight players is misleading because three players, Seager, Pena, and Robinson, barely played for the team.

 

That said, what is the difference? He had a very good season at Tacoma which is better than having an average or bad season. No one is suggesting Mike Carp will be a star in Boston. He is nothing more than a left handed component to balance out Gomes and Napoli. He is a better option than Oversby.

I admitted to being mislead by the team stats. I posted the link so that you could see that the stat sheet was misleading. I was not posting it to mislead. Pena and Robinson aside, there are still 8 other players that OPSed at .846 or above on that team. It's not at all misleading to say that they must have been in a hitters league.

 

As far as Carp being better than Overbay, he has more power, but other than that, Carp is not very good at all. Matt Stairs was like Stan Musial compared to Carp.

[rhet]

Everyone knows Carp enjoys battling against A Rod.

[RedSoxNC84]

Who the hell is Mike Carp?

[Bellhorn04]

Who the hell is Mike Carp?

 

C'mon man, they made a big splash with this signing.

[YAZMAN]

Something isn't right here. This move smells fishy. I don't want to be crabby about this, but as others have pointed out, Carp is no Mike Trout, or even Tim Salmon. I'd be prepared to caviar eyes if this guy ever gets to the plate in a ML game for the Sox this season. I'm not sure I see the porpoise of an acquisition such as this. Mark my words, this will turn out to be a whale of a mistake that will just garner the FO more anemones in the long run.

 

So exactly how would you scale him?

[jung]

It probably depends on who gets boosted from the roster for this guy. If it is somebody "we" (the royal we) like or have expectations for and Carp turns out to be a dud (Highly likely) then it will get ugly around here, especially if the team is losing at the rate that might be likely for this year.

[rjortiz]

It probably depends on who gets boosted from the roster for this guy. If it is somebody "we" (the royal we) like or have expectations for and Carp turns out to be a dud (Highly likely) then it will get ugly around here, especially if the team is losing at the rate that might be likely for this year.

 

We didn't give up anything of value for Carp.

[rjortiz]

It's a low cost move. There is no such thing as high reward, low risk.

 

Exactly! I'm tired of people using this defense for s*** moves. The amount given up doesn't change the risk involved.

[a700hitter]

Exactly! I'm tired of people using this defense for s*** moves. The amount given up doesn't change the risk involved.

It would be like buying a penny stock and characterizing it as low risk/ high reward, because if it hits there will be a lot of upward leverage. If your investment guy recommends something like this, fire him immediately. Carp was cheap because he is not very good. He's a long shot to be a good major league ballplayer. Therefore, he is a high risk acquisition. If he performs at or above the major league level, the return will be high, because his cost was low. He is a high risk/high reward acquisition. It is because he is high risk that he is cheap. It is because he is cheap that he would yield a high reward in the unlikely event that he performs at or above MLB levels.

[BSN07]

It probably depends on who gets boosted from the roster for this guy. If it is somebody "we" (the royal we) like or have expectations for and Carp turns out to be a dud (Highly likely) then it will get ugly around here, especially if the team is losing at the rate that might be likely for this year.

 

No one got boosted. Kalish went on the 60 day DL.

[jung]

Thought they had taken him off already...Kalish surely won't be able to play early regardless of Sox comments to the contrary.

[BSN07]

Thought they had taken him off already...Kalish surely won't be able to play early regardless of Sox comments to the contrary.

 

It would have been pretty dumb to announce he's going on the 60 day DL while in negotiations with the Mariners for Carp, which have been going on at least since he was DFA'd.

[a700hitter]

Does Carp have any options? Is he better or worse than Wily Mo in the OF?

[jung]

It would have been pretty dumb to announce he's going on the 60 day DL while in negotiations with the Mariners for Carp, which have been going on at least since he was DFA'd.

 

I meant early than that...before Carp was even a question. Thought they moved Kakish to the DL around when they finally finished with Napoli. So I thought he was already there.

[Dom]

Carp does not have any options which probably makes him the favorite to make the team, all else being even.

[Dojji]

Does Carp have any options? Is he better or worse than Wily Month in the OF?

 

Depends on what you mean. Modesto has him on versatility for sure. Carp's a pretty much full time below replacement level LF, Wily Mo could butcher all 3 positions

[a700hitter]

Carp does not have any options which probably makes him the favorite to make the team, all else being even.

Overbay has an opt out if he is not on the opening day roster.

 

If Carp has no options, couldn't we have just waited and claimed him off waivers?

[jung]

Both Sweeney and Nava have one option left in each case. I think Gomez has two.

[RedSoxNC84]

Carp has upside honestly, but no one will ever see it.

[Dojji]

I can see why they did this, but... meh.