David Ortiz Finalizing Two Year Deal

[Palodios]

There is one factor in the whole Ortiz negotiation, two years vs one year etc that might actually be relevant that nobody talks about.

 

Now I totally understand the argument that the Sox might not need to throw two years out on the table for Ortiz because the market for a 37 year old, dedicated DH with a spotty achilles is going to be pretty light. But I don't think it is completely out of the realm that somebody else gives him his two years.....I think it boils down to the difference between a one year deal at max $$ and a two year deal at a number that is attractive to both parties....maybe 2/$20 is that number.

 

No matter what happens, the Red Sox are going to be putting up a 13.5 million deal just for compensation picks. So what difference does it makes if they tack on 8-9 million for 2014?

 

I just don't see any reason why Ortiz is not going to be worth it. The guy has proven everything that there is to prove for this organization. His achilles is not that big of a problem.

[jung]

Well I don't know that we can say that the Achilles is not an issue. He blows out his Achilles and his career is over. I think fear of same is likely what prevented him from playing again last year. He was not 100% and the risk of blowing the Achilles out was not offset by any sort of reward that mattered to him.

 

Seems like the Achilles will likely be a sensitive issue for him for the remainder of his playing days. I posted earlier that presuming he is signed I would recommend that the Sox tell him/ask him to take it easy on the base paths. They don't pay him to go tearin' around out there at his age.

 

Maybe they can put him in some customized footwear that will help him support the Achilles as well...might slow him up (maybe not a bad thing) but might also help keep from injuring the Achilles or putting more stress on it.

 

Once these guys get older, they are going to suffer more stress related injuries. Jeter's ankle shattered on a play that you would not have expected that sort of damage but in reality I think the wear on the ankle just got to the point where it did not take as much to just have it crumble.

 

For a multitude of reasons though, I think the two years is OK...not as OK as 1 year and a vesting option for the 2nd year but as I suggested earlier, what kind of message does playing hardball with Ortiz send to a guy like Pedey who we would hope would be a life long Red Sox.

[ibot2much]

 

I just don't see any reason why Ortiz is not going to be worth it. The guy has proven everything that there is to prove for this organization. His achilles is not that big of a problem.

 

a) he has been paid very year for his worth that year...so nothing is owed to him How do you know that the Achilles is not "that" big of a problem? If the figure that was given out of $25/2yrs is correct, then even David knows he is not worth what he thought he was last year during negotiations. He wouldn't even look at that figure

[SoxFanForsyth]

a) he has been paid very year for his worth that year...so nothing is owed to him How do you know that the Achilles is not "that" big of a problem? If the figure that was given out of $25/2yrs is correct, then even David knows he is not worth what he thought he was last year during negotiations. He wouldn't even look at that figure

 

The fact is that the Sox will have to offer him $13.3mm as a qualifying offer anyway to receive a draft pick if he leaves.

 

He would likely take a $13.3mm deal for 1 year if he had to, but if he's going to take that, then why the hell wouldn't the Sox just tack on another year and get him for $8-9mm next year?

[jung]

$13.3M, thanks for the correction....I thought it was $14M but the math still works and I think you guys are right. I was really talking about the same math but was using $14M. So, I don't think we can use the argument that what the Sox did for 2012 limits what they should or could do for 2013/2014.

 

Look I don't like Papi's continue use of the press to negotiate his contract but like I said earlier at least he delivers on the back end. I do think that he should cool it on the "this is my clubhouse" s*** and anything like it. If that has been his clubhouse....his clubhouse sucks! He should just stop. Fortunately we have not heard stuff like that from Papi in the last few months but I don't know if that means he has stopped or he has just not had a good opportunity to fit that one into his current schtick.

[SCM33]

The fact is that the Sox will have to offer him $13.3mm as a qualifying offer anyway to receive a draft pick if he leaves.

 

He would likely take a $13.3mm deal for 1 year if he had to, but if he's going to take that, then why the hell wouldn't the Sox just tack on another year and get him for $8-9mm next year?

 

Agree.

[jacksonianmarch]

Chronic Achilles injuries in 35+ yr olds are big problems. If they don't heal, then surgery might be a necessary means to fix the ratty tendon

[Cocos Disciples]

Chronic Achilles injuries...If they don't heal

 

heh

[redsoxfan3]

Chronic Achilles injuries in 35+ yr olds are big problems. If they don't heal, then surgery might be a necessary means to fix the ratty tendon

 

Agreed. Since David Ortiz is 36, it is 35+ that Chronic Achilles injuries are big problems for someone that is over 35. If it was Derek Jeter with the same problem, I am sure you would say that Jeter would be okay because he is 38 and Chronic Achilles injuries are not big problem for someone unless they are 40 or older.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's stupid and you know it. Achilles injuries can be career threatening, and we all know this. We also know that the guy had to get sono therapy after missing 3 months of the season, ie it wasnt healing. This is something that has the potential to become chronic or outright rupture. It is not something to blow off, it is a real concern. Then again, the guy doesnt play defense and showed he can hit, so it is a chance you take. But it isnt a given that he will be a 130 game player next yr, just like there is no guarantee Jeter is either

[redsoxfan3]

That's stupid and you know it. Achilles injuries can be career threatening, and we all know this. We also know that the guy had to get sono therapy after missing 3 months of the season, ie it wasnt healing. This is something that has the potential to become chronic or outright rupture. It is not something to blow off, it is a real concern. Then again, the guy doesnt play defense and showed he can hit, so it is a chance you take. But it isnt a given that he will be a 130 game player next yr, just like there is no guarantee Jeter is either

 

I was just giving you a hard time. I know that Achilles injuries are very serious. I just hope that he can fully recover from this and it is a non-issue down the road, but realistically nothing is guaranteed.

[redsoxrules]

Still no official deal , so obviously there not on the same page.

[ibot2much]

It was "announced" hours after introducing John F. I am guessing it came from the Ortiz camp rather than the RS front office...perhaps his agent wanted to get it out so there would be a big swell of fan support for keeping DO. To me the concern in signing him is not knowing how that injury is.

[redsoxfan3]

Still no official deal , so obviously there not on the same page.

 

Exactly. It was reported that the deal was close and the next day it was reported that the deal is not as close as previously reported. There is definitely something holding the deal up.

[ibot2much]

What is holding up the deal is that no where has the FO indicated they want him for two years with that injury

[redsoxfan3]

What is holding up the deal is that no where has the FO indicated they want him for two years with that injury

 

That is true. Gordon Edes is the one that started the whole Red Sox and Ortiz are finalizing a two year deal. Ben Cherington has publicly stated that he wants to resign David Ortiz. Nowhere have I heard that Cherington has publicly stated that he is wanting to sign David Ortiz two years. A lot of people believe that someone talked to Fernando Cuza and he was the one saying David wants two years.

[ibot2much]

Nick C. in the GLOBE finally comes clean that they are not close and unless things speed up soon, DO will be on the open market. He does admit though that the RS seem to be his best bet....so apparently Nick doesn't see much of a big money market for him

[SoxFanForsyth]

Nick C. in the GLOBE finally comes clean that they are not close and unless things speed up soon, DO will be on the open market. He does admit though that the RS seem to be his best bet....so apparently Nick doesn't see much of a big money market for him

 

uh.

 

 

modest means small.

[ibot2much]

Morning GLOBE is where I got my story. The "modest" gap may be money. Is the difference between one year or two years a "modest" time gap??

[SoxFanForsyth]

Morning GLOBE is where I got my story. The "modest" gap may be money. Is the difference between one year or two years a "modest" time gap??

 

Yes. Plus he said they were going to figure it out in the next 24 hours. It's still about 40 hours until FA.

[jacksonianmarch]

Per rotoworld, Ortiz is expected to reach free agency

[ibot2much]

Yes. Plus he said they were going to figure it out in the next 24 hours. It's still about 40 hours until FA.

 

Now you are talking through your ass. The one year difference is not a "modest" gap.

 

They may be working on it like little beavers. They may be praying to the gods that David will return to the RS family. They may have put all other positions on hold until they sign him......but come on, 1 or 2 years has been a point of contention for DO for some time now.

[Station 13]

Per rotoworld, Ortiz is expected to reach free agency

 

A counter of qualifying offer would kill his market.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Now you are talking through your ass. The one year difference is not a "modest" gap.

 

They may be working on it like little beavers. They may be praying to the gods that David will return to the RS family. They may have put all other positions on hold until they sign him......but come on, 1 or 2 years has been a point of contention for DO for some time now.

 

Read stuff man. The gap is in $$, not years.

[ibot2much]

Nick should have kept to his GLOBE story rather than singing a different tune while he tweeted. a few hlours later.....so what was with that. Not looking good if you "read stuff" now man.

[jacksonianmarch]

A counter of qualifying offer would kill his market.

 

Not for a team with a protected pick and not for a team looking for one last push to go over the edge. I think the Orioles are a sleeper here and would probably think that his offense could put them over the top next yr

[SoxFanForsyth]

Not for a team with a protected pick and not for a team looking for one last push to go over the edge. I think the Orioles are a sleeper here and would probably think that his offense could put them over the top next yr

 

Teams with protected picks are not looking for 1 last push to go over the edge.

[Palodios]

Teams with protected picks are not looking for 1 last push to go over the edge.

 

I think he meant "or" not "and". Honestly, I just don't see that many fits.

 

He won't go to losing teams like the Royals, Guardians, Twins, Mariners, Astros. Tampa can't afford him, and he absolutely doesn't fit their style.

 

The Yankees would need to shed A-Rod first. The Angels have Morales. The Tigers have Vmart. The White Sox have put a ton of money into pitching already and have other holes to fill. Oakland can't afford him.

 

That leaves Toronto, Baltimore, and the Rangers. The problem, as per usual, is that there aren't that many good fits for David Ortiz. The Red Sox want him here. No one is going to give him 3 years. Why bother with the charade? Compromise at 2/23 and move on.

[jung]

Actually beginning to wonder if there isn't something a bit more complicated going on than what has been reported. It would seem that even 2/$25 would not be a monster one sided deal. Would be surprised if 2/$23 or something like it wasn't already in the discussion as I thought the Sox would be at 2/$20 with Ortiz willingly accepting 2/$25. Can't shake the feeling that there is something else going on here.

[Bellhorn04]

Actually beginning to wonder if there isn't something a bit more complicated going on than what has been reported. It would seem that even 2/$25 would not be a monster one sided deal. Would be surprised if 2/$23 or something like it wasn't already in the discussion as I thought the Sox would be at 2/$20 with Ortiz willingly accepting 2/$25. Can't shake the feeling that there is something else going on here.

 

Probably all that's going on is that David wants at least $25 million and the Red Sox don't want to move off $20 million.