Dustin Pedroia

[Gringo]

I have a bad feeling that Pedroia has peaked, and it's all downhill from here. He's already well off last year's pace...add to that his high strung nature and the chip on his shoulder as evidenced by his ever-expanding mouthpiece...his time could be up in Boston.

 

If we're going to overhaul the team, then we should get drastic. Trade him and get value while we can, I say.

[Spitball]

No way. He is a leader and one of the few positives.

 

Actually, I am guessing you are just trying to generate some controversy here. This is too bad an idea to believe you are serious.

[Emmz]

This thread really doesn't deserve a response, but no. Ridiculous.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Most threads don't deserve a response because most of them are full of nonsense. Trade Pedroia lol please.

[jung]

No...I don't think Pedey is over the hill. There is a bigger problem though that sorta' has some relevance. This team is a mess...it is a cellar dweller having worked its way there over the course of the past few years. This problem did not develop overnight in spite of people wanting to think it did and it will not solve overnight unless the Sox take some real chances.

 

There are two ways to go...maybe more than two.

 

- Figure that Buch has made it all the way back and becomes a solid two in a new rotation including Felix, maybe Lackey, maybe Lester and maybe Morales. Forget Cook...that pipe dream will be done and dusted before this season is over. Pull out all the stops to get a legit 1 and with the number of hitters in this lineup (if you keep Ortiz) you might be back in business in the short run.

 

or

 

- Figure that regardless of what the situation is with Buch, you can't resolve the starting pitching in one off season and if you can't resolve that, nothing else will matter. Bringing in a 3 won't get anything done so it does boil down to getting a legit 1 in here as hard as that is to do. So option two is take a longer view on a time line to fixing this mess. Less need to make risky moves....less satisfaction in the short term....more time off the clock for some of Boston's favored sons.

 

Option 1 requires some bold moves in a year when the Sox just don't have many pieces to play with that anybody gives a s*** about. They will eat salary just to move Beckett. No help there. Ortiz is a FA so they sign him or they don't. No trade bait there. Crawford's contract is radioactive and there is no replacement on the near horizon for Agons. Nobody to replace WMB either and WMB won't get you much in return anyway, not by himself or even with him as the center piece of a deal. You just about have to keep Ross and WMB. That leaves a cast of thousands including Sweeney, Nava, Ciriaco, Iggy, Salty, Pods and prospects that you really do not want to mess with cause they are one or two years away from being rookie stars for this team. Haven't mentioned pitchers other than Beckett because the Sox are already pitching poor and I think they want to keep Lester. That does not leave much to choose from if you are trying to build a multiplayer deal to bring in a legit 1 for the rotation in the short term....but then there is Pedey.

 

Option 2, takes a longer view, less risk, probably do not even consider things like trying to build a multiplayer deal around somebody like Pedey but put the solution to this problem out a couple years and then how old is Pedey and what is he doing. Is he on the backside by then? Maybe the way he plays.

 

More importantly, this is a cellar dweller team that won't even finish above 500 for the season and plays so poorly in their own park that they won't even finish above 500 in Fenway. What are we really talking about here....favorite players on a cellar dweller? Nobody and nothing is sacred when you are living in the basement.

 

Pedey is not at all finished in my view nor even on the back nine. However, the Sox have little to play with if they want to solve this in the short term. I would not touch more than one of those prime prospects and in one or two cases I would not touch them for anything..Bradley for example....I would not touch unless you want to give me my 1 for him straight up.....and that 1 cannot be one of these injury goons either....not interested and that won't happen anyway.

 

Take the longer view on solving this mess. OK. What does Pedey look like by 2014 and 2015?

[Youk Of The Nation]

No...I don't think Pedey is over the hill. There is a bigger problem though that sorta' has some relevance. This team is a mess...it is a cellar dweller having worked its way there over the course of the past few years. This problem did not develop overnight in spite of people wanting to think it did and it will not solve overnight unless the Sox take some real chances.

 

There are two ways to go...maybe more than two.

 

- Figure that Buch has made it all the way back and becomes a solid two in a new rotation including Felix, maybe Lackey, maybe Lester and maybe Morales. Forget Cook...that pipe dream will be done and dusted before this season is over. Pull out all the stops to get a legit 1 and with the number of hitters in this lineup (if you keep Ortiz) you might be back in business in the short run.

 

or

 

- Figure that regardless of what the situation is with Buch, you can't resolve the starting pitching in one off season and if you can't resolve that, nothing else will matter. Bringing in a 3 won't get anything done so it does boil down to getting a legit 1 in here as hard as that is to do. So option two is take a longer view on a time line to fixing this mess. Less need to make risky moves....less satisfaction in the short term....more time off the clock for some of Boston's favored sons.

 

Option 1 requires some bold moves in a year when the Sox just don't have many pieces to play with that anybody gives a s*** about. They will eat salary just to move Beckett. No help there. Ortiz is a FA so they sign him or they don't. No trade bait there. Crawford's contract is radioactive and there is no replacement on the near horizon for Agons. Nobody to replace WMB either and WMB won't get you much in return anyway, not by himself or even with him as the center piece of a deal. You just about have to keep Ross and WMB. That leaves a cast of thousands including Sweeney, Nava, Ciriaco, Iggy, Salty, Pods and prospects that you really do not want to mess with cause they are one or two years away from being rookie stars for this team. Haven't mentioned pitchers other than Beckett because the Sox are already pitching poor and I think they want to keep Lester. That does not leave much to choose from if you are trying to build a multiplayer deal to bring in a legit 1 for the rotation in the short term....but then there is Pedey.

 

Option 2, takes a longer view, less risk, probably do not even consider things like trying to build a multiplayer deal around somebody like Pedey but put the solution to this problem out a couple years and then how old is Pedey and what is he doing. Is he on the backside by then? Maybe the way he plays.

 

More importantly, this is a cellar dweller team that won't even finish above 500 for the season and plays so poorly in their own park that they won't even finish above 500 in Fenway. What are we really talking about here....favorite players on a cellar dweller? Nobody and nothing is sacred when you are living in the basement.

 

Pedey is not at all finished in my view nor even on the back nine. However, the Sox have little to play with if they want to solve this in the short term. I would not touch more than one of those prime prospects and in one or two cases I would not touch them for anything..Bradley for example....I would not touch unless you want to give me my 1 for him straight up.....and that 1 cannot be one of these injury goons either....not interested and that won't happen anyway.

 

Take the longer view on solving this mess. OK. What does Pedey look like by 2014 and 2015?

 

 

So...no, then?

[Emmz]

Most threads don't deserve a response because most of them are full of nonsense. Trade Pedroia lol please.

 

That's why I responded. You can't be picky at Talksox or you'll just end up lurking.

[Emmz]

So...no' date=' then?[/quote']

 

No, but 10,000 times longer.

[cbbosox]

He will probably never be an MVP again but is still a gold glove caliber 2nd baseman,

hustles on every play and is hitting .280 despite playing with a hurt thumb and hitting out of postion(3rd) a lot this year.

Unless he gets hurt againn no reason why he shouldn't have 3-4 really good years(.290-.300) while hopefully batting 2nd in the lineup.

 

With his recent injuries i don't see him having extremely high trade value (even though he is an excellent player)

[Elktonnick]

That's why I responded. You can't be picky at Talksox or you'll just end up lurking.

 

I think all sox players including Pedroia are trade bait at this point.

[Youk Of The Nation]

No' date=' but 10,000 times longer.[/quote']

 

 

And 3/4 not about Pedroia at all.

[Emmz]

It has nothing to do with where he's hitting, Pedroia is very successful in his career when hitting 3rd.

[Emmz]

I think all sox players including Pedroia are trade bait at this point.

 

So you basically want to blow it up? Sounds drastic, and not very smart.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I think all sox players including Pedroia are trade bait at this point.

 

Unless one of the many trades that the team makes while getting rid of anyone brings in a comparable or better second baseman, it would make no sense to trade Pedroia. And since there are arguably no better second basemen and few comparable ones, Pedroia will stay where he is.

[Emmz]

Pedroia, Gonzalez and Middlebrooks should be untouchable.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Pedroia' date=' Gonzalez and Middlebrooks should be untouchable.[/quote']

 

I agree, but I'd add Ellsbury and Buchholz. They should give Ells whatever he asks for, up to and including the virginity of every FO staffperson's daughters, to get him to stay with the Sox. They let Papelbon walk, and they should learn from that mistake.

[Emmz]

Ellsbury had his Mauer year, except Mauer is still going to win batting titles. I honestly think he's had his big year, and is probably going to revert to previous form. That's not to say he wasn't good, but I have my doubts that he's a legit .900+ OPS hitter.

 

I'd give up Ellsbury and Buchholz in return for an elite pitcher like Hernandez

 

edit: maybe not Buchholz, I like the idea of having an elite 1-2 at the top of the rotation.

[Designated Hater]

He's one of the more affordable pieces that could potentially be dealt to another team, but they won't suffer the PR hit that will come in the wake of him leaving town. They are too PR minded to do something like this. The only moves they will consider making are Crawford, Beckett, and Gonzalez.

 

For some reason, I don't see Gonzalez finishing out his contract here in Boston. Mark my words.

[Emmz]

No one takes your word for anything bro, you're just a troll.

 

Hop off Gonzo's sack already.

[Elktonnick]

So you basically want to blow it up? Sounds drastic' date=' and not very smart.[/quote']

 

What isn't smart in either business or baseball is limiting one's options. Successful investors should never fall in love with their assets. Pedroia is an asset nothing more nothing less. If I as GM, VP for baseball ops or principle owner can improve my club by trading Pedroia, I would do so in a nanosecond. Second basemen don't win championships in baseball, pitchers do.

[jung]

I don't see them giving up Buch. Why should they give up the best pitcher they have when they are so weak in starting pitching. They need to add not subtract from the starting pitching.

 

Regardless of what they should or should not do, chances are very good that Ells agent will not make it possible to keep him....when your pitching sucks you have to spend your resources to resolve that issue. Spending another $16-$20M on yet another everyday player when you can't pitch your way out of hat makes no sense and I don't see how FA does not net Ells something in that range. The Sox have a cost controlled player waiting in the wings and that will be the influence that will keep the Sox from paying Ells that kind of money.

 

Keep talking about these guys like they are winning something...they can't win games! They can't win games cause they can't pitch. None of these sacred cows are sacred any longer.

[ibot2much]

What isn't smart in either business or baseball is limiting one's options. Successful investors should never fall in love with their assets. Pedroia is an asset nothing more nothing less. If I as GM' date=' VP for baseball ops or principle owner can improve my club by trading Pedroia, I would do so in a nanosecond. Second basemen don't win championships in baseball, pitchers do.[/quote']

 

 

Great logical post. NOBODY is untouchable on the team

[3rdManOut]

For me this is a tough one. I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert on the ins and outs of our baseball club. However based on what I know and have heard/seen, Pedroia is one of the more harder working members of the club. I would think it it would be in the best interest at this point to keep more positive players like Pedroia. Yes he is starting to have a mouth but I wouldn't just be that quick to be so open to trade him yet. I guess at this point Im thinking more from a PR stand point then anything else.

 

@Elktonnick

As much as it pains me to say this I do see your point as well.

[jung]

Winning is what matters and they can't win. Don't even have a ghost of a chance of winning cause they can't pitch. Yet we keep talking about everyday players that must hit in particular parts of the lineup and must stay and on and on and on like it matters! They can't win games....against anybody...even in their own ballpark. This team is failing in epic fashion now.

 

Pedey is one of the only truly attractive pieces they have and one of the few guys that they could trade that as part of a package could bring back the only asset they can bring here that will make a difference. There is less risk in trading Pedey at this point than once again trading away guys that are one or two years away from playing on their roster. We already know what this cast of characters does....it losses....it losses famously now. There are already players that they can't trade because their contracts are radioactive. As good as Pedey is, he is still a second baseman...not a pitcher.

 

They should spare no expense in bringing someone here that can actually make a difference, not stubbornly continue to institutionalize failure.

 

On the other hand I would not trade Pedey just to trade him. Either Pedey as part of a package gets you what you need or he does not. If he does not I would not trade him.

[Gringo]

By the way, I keep seeing ESPN running a clip of Valentine and Pedroia in the dugout, where BV looks like he leans in and kisses DP on the cheek, and then PD starts yammering away with a intense/angry look on his face...anyone know what that was about?

[Emmz]

What isn't smart in either business or baseball is limiting one's options. Successful investors should never fall in love with their assets. Pedroia is an asset nothing more nothing less. If I as GM' date=' VP for baseball ops or principle owner can improve my club by trading Pedroia, I would do so in a nanosecond. Second basemen don't win championships in baseball, pitchers do.[/quote']

 

Do you think the Red Sox would have been smart to trade Pedro in 2004? What possible trade could you see making sense for dealing Pedroia, and who would you replace him with? You, like many others, try to talk about potential trades, but you never give me important details, like returns or replacements.

 

This is basically you just trying to be technical. Everyone on a team is always available, because every team has a price, and that's just kind of obvious.

[Emmz]

Winning is what matters and they can't win. Don't even have a ghost of a chance of winning cause they can't pitch. Yet we keep talking about everyday players that must hit in particular parts of the lineup and must stay and on and on and on like it matters! They can't win games....against anybody...even in their own ballpark. This team is failing in epic fashion now.

 

Pedey is one of the only truly attractive pieces they have and one of the few guys that they could trade that as part of a package could bring back the only asset they can bring here that will make a difference. There is less risk in trading Pedey at this point than once again trading away guys that are one or two years away from playing on their roster. We already know what this cast of characters does....it losses....it losses famously now. There are already players that they can't trade because their contracts are radioactive. As good as Pedey is, he is still a second baseman...not a pitcher.

 

They should spare no expense in bringing someone here that can actually make a difference, not stubbornly continue to institutionalize failure.

 

On the other hand I would not trade Pedey just to trade him. Either Pedey as part of a package gets you what you need or he does not. If he does not I would not trade him.

 

Pedroia is an exceptional 2B, and pitchers only play every fifth game.

 

I don't get why everyone's so high on pitchers that we have to sell an elite, everyday position player, and the undisputed heart of this team.

 

You trade what you have an excess of if you can.

[Elktonnick]

Pedroia is an exceptional 2B, and pitchers only play every fifth game.

 

I don't get why everyone's so high on pitchers that we have to sell an elite, everyday position player, and the undisputed heart of this team.

 

You trade what you have an excess of if you can.

 

I am sure you have heard the saying "you can never have enough good pitching" I have never heard any one who knows anything about baseball say " You can never enough good second basemen." The reason why: Pitching wins championships.

[Emmz]

I am sure you have heard the saying "you can never have enough good pitching" I have never heard any one who knows anything about baseball say " You can never enough good second basemen." The reason why: Pitching wins championships.

 

So cliches are what you're going to use to make your points now?

[Elktonnick]

So cliches are what you're going to use to make your points now?

 

If they are true why not. Name me one team who said if only we had a better second baseman we'd be a contender. In the one game wild card game, the two teams aren't going to worry about who starts at 2nd base. No manager will setup his lineup going into the playoffs to make sure so and so starts at 2nd base.