Red Sox looking to trade Beckett

[NativeBostonian]

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120730&content_id=35810768&vkey=news_bos&c_id=bos

[Bellhorn04]

I'm at the point now I'm looking forward to July 31 being over so I don't have to read this kind of ******** for awhile.

[MJantomaso]

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Red Sox are now "unlikely" to trade Josh Beckett.

Olney says the Red Sox talked to a "small handful of teams about him" but found no offers to their liking. Beckett is owed a total of $31.5 million in salary over the next two seasons and has posted a 4.57 ERA in 17 starts this year. It's doubtful Boston got any great offers.

Source: Buster Olney on Twitter Jul 30 - 8:35 AM

[NativeBostonian]

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Red Sox are now "unlikely" to trade Josh Beckett.

Olney says the Red Sox talked to a "small handful of teams about him" but found no offers to their liking. Beckett is owed a total of $31.5 million in salary over the next two seasons and has posted a 4.57 ERA in 17 starts this year. It's doubtful Boston got any great offers.

Source: Buster Olney on Twitter Jul 30 - 8:35 AM

 

I would think that if they trade him, it would be more of a salary dump. I wouldn't expect anything significant in return.

[wetcamelfood]

If they found offers "not to their liking" I dread to think what they were given they gave Youk away for a bag of balls etc. and apparently found those offers to their liking

[SCM33]

YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING SOX NEWS IN OVER A YEAR!!!!

[BornToRun]

I'd hold into him. And not just because I have a man crush on him.

 

The facts are that he his ERA is a full run higher than his FIP and he's:

 

Walked batters at a lower rate than 2011

Gotten more groundballs

Given up less HR's

 

The only numbers that would point to him being a lesser pitcher this year are that he's struck out less batters and has a lower strand rate with a BABIP that's regressed to league average.

 

Still, everything adds up to him being a solid two with an ERA around 3.50 to 4.00 which is what I think we'll need from him the rest of the way to stay in the race.

 

Don't trade him unless someone makes a very good offer.

[SCM33]

I'd hold into him. And not just because I have a man crush on him.

 

The facts are that he his ERA is a full run higher than his FIP and he's:

 

Walked batters at a lower rate than 2011

Gotten more groundballs

Given up less HR's

 

The only numbers that would point to him being a lesser pitcher this year are that he's struck out less batters and has a lower strand rate with a BABIP that's regressed to league average.

 

Still, everything adds up to him being a solid two with an ERA around 3.50 to 4.00 which is what I think we'll need from him the rest of the way to stay in the race.

 

Don't trade him unless someone makes a very good offer.

 

Unbelievable.

 

This goes beyond numbers. Apparently you never want to see this team win anything again.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Josh Beckett isn't an ace, but he isn't getting paid like one either. The new market puts ace type pitchers at 22-25 mil a season (Lee, Hamels, Verlander, Sabathia, etc.) and Beckett is making a little less than 16.

 

Fact is I think Beckett is a pretty good #2/#3. He strikes people out, has a low walk rate, and doesn't give up HRs. I think that is enough reason for optimism going forward. If you look at his season, I don't think the ERA tells the whole story. He's had 3 implosions but if you look at his other 14 starts he is pitching at a low 3's ERA level. Given that he actually has a pretty good QS% which means he at least gives his team a solid chance to win even if that haven't really been doing that in his starts.

 

I'm not opposed to dealing him, but if we have to eat 15 mil and only get a middle tier prospect then that is a complete waste.

[BornToRun]

Unbelievable.

 

This goes beyond numbers. Apparently you never want to see this team win anything again.

 

Quit bitching about the guys attitude like its worth dumping a quality pitcher over.

 

He's a prick when he's good and a prick when he's bad.

[SCM33]

Quit bitching about the guys attitude like its worth dumping a quality pitcher over.

 

He's a prick when he's good and a prick when he's bad.

 

Again. Unbelievable.

 

He is the problem. Not the whole problem, but probably 50% of it.

 

I will be THRILLED if he is traded.

[a700hitter]

Quit bitching about the guys attitude like its worth dumping a quality pitcher over.

 

He's a prick when he's good and a prick when he's bad.

Randy Johnson was a sour puss prick and so was Steve Carlton and on and on, but you don't kick them off your team for their attitude.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Randy Johnson was a sour puss prick and so was Steve Carlton and on and on' date=' but you don't kick them off your team for their attitude.[/quote']

 

+1. Clemens was a complete jackass, and Schilling was a dick to the media too.

 

And besides, all we know is what the media conveys to us. That's hardly a credible source in terms of what kind of a teammate he is, and by all accounts, I've heard both he and Lackey are great teammates.

[BornToRun]

It doesn't mean s*** to me if the guy is a jerk so long as he does his job. Has josh been an ace? No, I'm not making that claim. Has he been better than a 4.57 ERA would indicate? I believe so.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only person on this site who looks past somebody's personality and pays more attention to their actual ability.

[SCM33]

+1. Clemens was a complete jackass, and Schilling was a dick to the media too.

 

And besides, all we know is what the media conveys to us. That's hardly a credible source in terms of what kind of a teammate he is, and by all accounts, I've heard both he and Lackey are great teammates.

 

Well, those two were professionals. Curt Schilling kept detailed records of every pitch he ever threw. Both were incredible competitors and extremely intense. Both of those guys had HOF worthy careers (though Clemens prob. has no shot at it now w/the whole steroid thing).

 

Beckett needs a binky to do all of his homework for him. He only gets 18 days off a year (straight out of his mouth) so he will be damned if he is going to go the extra mile and do some scouting on his own.

 

Dont compare Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling to Josh Beckett. Its not even close. Beckett is a middle of the rotation pitcher whose career has been a disappointment considering the talent he has/had.

[Palodios]

Randy Johnson was a sour puss prick and so was Steve Carlton and on and on' date=' but you don't kick them off your team for their attitude.[/quote']

 

+1. Clemens was a complete jackass' date=' and Schilling was a dick to the media too. [/quote']

 

Are we really comparing Beckett to Randy Johnson and Roger Clemmons now? :harhar:

[SoxFanForsyth]

Are we really comparing Beckett to Randy Johnson and Roger Clemmons now? :harhar:

 

Haha verrry funny.

 

I'm just saying don't just give Beckett away because you don't like his personality. Just because some people think he's a prick doesn't mean that he's not a valuable pitcher.

[SCM33]

It doesn't mean s*** to me if the guy is a jerk so long as he does his job. Has josh been an ace? No, I'm not making that claim. Has he been better than a 4.57 ERA would indicate? I believe so.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only person on this site who looks past somebody's personality and pays more attention to their actual ability.

 

What good is ability if hes only shown it in 3 outta his 7 seasons here?

[Bellhorn04]

My attitude about Beckett has been vacillating between Sweet Chin Music's and Born to Run's all year. Now I'm just tired of all the trade rumor crap. I want July 31 over and I want this team to start playing some real baseball. Every now and then they give signs of being able to do it.

[BornToRun]

What good is ability if hes only shown it in 3 outta his 7 seasons here?

 

2006 sucked.

2007 = ace

2008 was decent

2009 was very good

2010 sucked

2011 = ace

2012= decent 2/3 by my estimation. YMMV a bit.

 

I'd say he's been a very solid pitcher since coming over here from Florida.

[Palodios]

Haha verrry funny.

 

I'm just saying don't just give Beckett away because you don't like his personality. Just because some people think he's a prick doesn't mean that he's not a valuable pitcher.

 

Here's the reality. In 2013, he's going to prove us all wrong, and be an all star pitcher. He'll get lazy, and blow off pitching sessions and workouts in the second half, and decline significantly in September. In 2014, the FO will believe he's turned a corner and hold on to him, despite missing the playoffs again, but he'll believe he's so good that he's earned a break, so he'll slack off, and perform poorly.

 

Its what he does every year. Its pretty much explicitly clear if you look at his odd/even year splits. I don't want to get rid of him because he's a prick. I want to get rid of him because he's lazy, and there is a good chance it rubs off on his teammates.

 

Randy, Clemmons, Johnson etc were all pricks. But they all put baseball first.

[SCM33]

2006 sucked.

2007 = ace

2008 was decent

2009 was very good

2010 sucked

2011 = ace

2012= decent 2/3 by my estimation. YMMV a bit.

 

I'd say he's been a very solid pitcher since coming over here from Florida.

 

Yeah. A #3 starter is solid, which is what he is. A very overpaid #3.

 

For a team with the Redsox payroll:

#1 needs to be elite.

#2 needs to be excellent.

#3 needs to be solid.

#4 needs to be solid.

#5 needs to to be average/dependable.

[jung]

I don't even know why this is hard to figure out. Beckett has been going through a transition from mainly being a power pitcher to being a pitcher with a 91-92 FB relying on his secondary pitches to be much more of an integral part of his game plan. His velo is down and his K9 has never ticked up again since something like 2007. He has not completed this transition with the degree of success he really needs to remain a rotation mainstay at something like the 2 or the 3 of a decent staff.

 

Signs of problems arose in 2011 with the onset of games when he would sustain a blowup inning, one where he gave up 3+ runs. He would lose his control for an entire inning and no longer had the stuff to blow guys away. Hence he could not get out of those innings without giving up multiple runs.

 

This year the blowup innings have continued. The only difference is that they are occurring earlier in games and he is being kept in the game after the blow up inning blowing up his ERA.

 

Josh Beckett will NEVER ever be the same pitcher that he once was...you can take that to the bank. Beckett may in some place and at some time regain the focus and the work ethic needed to finally complete this transition successfully but he will be a different pitcher at that point. He will not be the pitcher he was for the bulk of his career and for the bulk of the time while he has been compiling his career stats.

[SCM33]

Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes

Team source: Sox will not trade Josh Beckett before trading deadline.

 

What the f***........well, no reason to watch them the rest of the year then.

[SCM33]

Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier

As of the early minutes of July 31, a major league source pegs a Beckett trade as 'unlikely' http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21217441/source-beckett-trade-unlikely via @WEEI

 

Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes

RT @ESPN_MLB: Source -- Boston Red Sox will not trade starter Josh Beckett

[SoxSport]

I don't think Cherington has the balls to trade Beckett.

[jung]

Doesn't matter...nobody and I mean nobody appears interested in taking Beckett...shocking!!:D

[Elktonnick]

I don't even know why this is hard to figure out. Beckett has been going through a transition from mainly being a power pitcher to being a pitcher with a 91-92 FB relying on his secondary pitches to be much more of an integral part of his game plan. His velo is down and his K9 has never ticked up again since something like 2007. He has not completed this transition with the degree of success he really needs to remain a rotation mainstay at something like the 2 or the 3 of a decent staff.

 

Signs of problems arose in 2011 with the onset of games when he would sustain a blowup inning, one where he gave up 3+ runs. He would lose his control for an entire inning and no longer had the stuff to blow guys away. Hence he could not get out of those innings without giving up multiple runs.

 

This year the blowup innings have continued. The only difference is that they are occurring earlier in games and he is being kept in the game after the blow up inning blowing up his ERA.

 

Josh Beckett will NEVER ever be the same pitcher that he once was...you can take that to the bank. Beckett may in some place and at some time regain the focus and the work ethic needed to finally complete this transition successfully but he will be a different pitcher at that point. He will not be the pitcher he was for the bulk of his career and for the bulk of the time while he has been compiling his career stats.

 

Spot on analysis. Beckett's fast ball and changeup have only about a 4 mph difference. He has to rely more on the curveball. His over reliance on the cutter IMO accelerated the decline in his FB velocity. At best Beckett has become a middle of the road starter and that is when he is pitching as well as he can.

[Palodios]

Anyone know if players with a no-trade clause can be put on the waiver wire?