Sox aggressively looking at Dempster

[ellsburyforMVP]

I'm starting to back off a bit on garza. Grienke is a question mark right now and the chances that Hamels is getting dealt are dwindling. Garza's slowly becoming the top option on the market and he's only going to be something of a #3 man so I'm wondering if he's gonna be worth what the price is going to wind up being. I really don't want us to put our top guys on the table for someone who's not an ace, is gonna be making 12 mil next season, and is trying to get us to a 1 game playoff.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd still love to have him here but I hope Ben backs off and says no go if the price gets too high. I'd rather take my chances with our own top 3 getting it going than giving up high end prospects for a number 3 man.

 

Hell, maybe see what the twins want for liriano.

 

Punto?? Cause I'm not to keen on giving much for a guy that had 1 great season 6 yrs ago

[BornToRun]

Punto?? Cause I'm not to keen on giving much for a guy that had 1 great season 6 yrs ago

 

Well he's been dealing as of late and I'm thinking that he's gonna be pretty cheap.

[a700hitter]

Punto?? Cause I'm not to keen on giving much for a guy that had 1 great season 6 yrs ago

Punto wouldn't net us a good peanut vendor.

[BornToRun]

He's never been a staff ace' date=' but he has had some very solid seasons. This season he is not pitching very well, so they should not go over-board to get him. I remember seeing him at some Spring Trainings when he was with the Twins. He had the ability to get inside on our big hitters like Manny and Ortiz and break their bats. I thought that he was pretty impressive in that regard.[/quote']

 

I like him a lot and have wanted him for the past two years but I hope Ben has the good sense to say no if theo starts asking for too much.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Well he's been dealing as of late and I'm thinking that he's gonna be pretty cheap.

 

I just don't see liriano being the solution to anything, especially if we have to give anything more than Salem-level type guys..... Sure, he's shown flashes of brilliance throughout his career.....keyword being " flashes "

[ellsburyforMVP]

Punto wouldn't net us a good peanut vendor.

 

In all seriousness ....the peanut guy at fenway around the box seat area ( 1st base side ) is a freaking beast..... I'm talking about behind the back tosses-10-15 rows over/5-6 rows up.....

[a700hitter]

I like him a lot and have wanted him for the past two years but I hope Ben has the good sense to say no if theo starts asking for too much.

If you move top prospects, you should get a top player who adds to your payroll. I don't consider Garza such a top pitcher. He's not Cliff Lee, Halladay, or Santana before the injury. He may not be as good as Santana is post op.

 

I'd give one top prospect and speculative guys after that.

[a700hitter]

In all seriousness ....the peanut guy at fenway around the box seat area ( 1st base side ) is a freaking beast..... I'm talking about behind the back tosses-10-15 rows over/5-6 rows up.....

No kidding. I know. Many a fan has asked them to go in to pitch.

[BornToRun]

If you move top prospects, you should get a top player who adds to your payroll. I don't consider Garza such a top pitcher. He's not Cliff Lee, Halladay, or Santana before the injury. He may not be as good as Santana is post op.

 

I'd give one top prospect and speculative guys after that.

 

What would you give up?

[a700hitter]

What would you give up?

I would look to move Kalish. He is blocked with us for at least another year, because I think they would be stupid not to re-sign Ross. We don't need him. Theo likes him. Also, see if Theo still has the hots for Salty. I am starting to suspect he is part of our pitching problem. And I would throw in a minor league pitcher, maybe Tazawa.

[BornToRun]

I would look to move Kalish. He is blocked with us for at least another year' date=' because I think they would be stupid not to re-sign Ross. We don't need him. Theo likes him. Also, see if Theo still has the hots for Salty. I am starting to suspect he is part of our pitching problem. And I would throw in a minor league pitcher, maybe Tazawa.[/quote']

 

I think I'd would be okay with sending kalish. I doubt salty and tazawa would do it though. Thoughts on ranuado? Haven't heard much about him in a while.

[a700hitter]

I think I'd would be okay with sending kalish. I doubt salty and tazawa would do it though. Thoughts on ranuado? Haven't heard much about him in a while.

Ranaudo is still pretty raw. I don't think we are hearing about him, because he isn't lighting the world on fire. He might get it done instead of Tazawa. Kalish and Ranaudo might be enough. Salty would be like whipped cream on top.

[BornToRun]

I think I might pull the trigger for ranuado and kalish. Sounds reasonable to me.

[SouthieFanatic]

I assume that you meant to say White Sox instead of Cubs.

 

Yes my mistake

[SCM33]

We dont need Francisco Liriano, We already have a better option who was just sent to the bullpen. No need to waste prospects on garbage when you have a better option available in Franklin Morales.

[example1]

Ouch. Don't send Kalish for Garza. That would be an absolute victory for Theo.

 

No point in sending young guys who are immediately part of the plan. The Sox can't bank on re-signing Ross. It would be nice if they could, but he could look at the clusterf*** here in Boston and want no part in it. Then where would they be?

 

I'm not sure what Theo would want here, but my untouchables (for Garza) list is pretty long. The guy I'm stuck on is Lavarnway. I like him, and think he could be a nice piece on the team. I also think he could get the deal done and am not sure where he fits in the Sox future plans. I would start with Britton, and maybe make it all the way to Lavarnway. Nava would be on the list of possible pieces as well.

[SCM33]

Ouch. Don't send Kalish for Garza. That would be an absolute victory for Theo.

 

No point in sending young guys who are immediately part of the plan. The Sox can't bank on re-signing Ross. It would be nice if they could, but he could look at the clusterf*** here in Boston and want no part in it. Then where would they be?

 

I'm not sure what Theo would want here, but my untouchables (for Garza) list is pretty long. The guy I'm stuck on is Lavarnway. I like him, and think he could be a nice piece on the team. I also think he could get the deal done and am not sure where he fits in the Sox future plans. I would start with Britton, and maybe make it all the way to Lavarnway. Nava would be on the list of possible pieces as well.

 

I think the biggest question is, is Matt Garza better than what you already have.

 

Beckett sucks, Lester has sucked and Franklin Morales is in the bullpen. Beckett and Lester are not going anywhere unless one is traded.

 

So the bigger question is, is Garza better than Cook or Morales....and if he is, how much better is he?

 

I dont think Garza makes a bit of difference when you are talking about replacing 4's and 5's with a 3 when you already have enough of them.

[example1]

I think the biggest question is, is Matt Garza better than what you already have.

 

Beckett sucks, Lester has sucked and Franklin Morales is in the bullpen. Beckett and Lester are not going anywhere unless one is traded.

 

So the bigger question is, is Garza better than Cook or Morales....and if he is, how much better is he?

 

I dont think Garza makes a bit of difference when you are talking about replacing 4's and 5's with a 3 when you already have enough of them.

 

Doubront's career high in IP is 130 (in the minors, in 2008). There's a chance he will either fatigue or be rested as the season progresses.

 

I think there's a chance the Sox find a way to sit Lester and/or Beckett if they continue to suck like this. They will find some reason (or Beckett will actually have a reason) to not be able to pitch any more. If Lester keeps sucking they should have him take a break and think about what he's done.

 

If you don't think Garza is better then we should probably be rooting for Dempster. They need pitching help.

[mvp 78]

Sox need an ace, not Garza. It'd be a waste of prospects.

[a700hitter]

Ouch. Don't send Kalish for Garza. That would be an absolute victory for Theo.

 

No point in sending young guys who are immediately part of the plan. The Sox can't bank on re-signing Ross. It would be nice if they could, but he could look at the clusterf*** here in Boston and want no part in it. Then where would they be?

 

I'm not sure what Theo would want here, but my untouchables (for Garza) list is pretty long. The guy I'm stuck on is Lavarnway. I like him, and think he could be a nice piece on the team. I also think he could get the deal done and am not sure where he fits in the Sox future plans. I would start with Britton, and maybe make it all the way to Lavarnway. Nava would be on the list of possible pieces as well.

kalish is just not that good. If Ross f***s us, we can find another OFer. There is no shortage of OFers better than Kalish at this point.

[SoxSport]

Ouch. Don't send Kalish for Garza. That would be an absolute victory for Theo.

 

Trading Kalish would be folly. He is Ellsbury insurance. I'd trade Ells first. Kalish might be as good in a year or so. He's hitting well in Pawtucket and could be a 20-20 guy, as James predicted.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Trading Kalish would be folly. He is Ellsbury insurance. I'd trade Ells first. Kalish might be as good in a year or so. He's hitting well in Pawtucket and could be a 20-20 guy' date=' as James predicted.[/quote']

 

If Ellsbury is going to be traded, he will be traded in the offseason. Now with the new rules, the Sox would be hard pressed to get much for Ellsbury at the 2013 trade deadline because the acquiring team wouldn't get draft picks if he leaves.

 

I still think the Sox come down with a pretty big name pitcher, be it a guy like Garza, or if they really go for it and open up the farm for a guy like Felix (who, Z says isn't available, but I am sure that if they overwhelm the Mariners, they would be hard pressed to say no).

[SoxFanForsyth]

Kalish wouldn't get a deal done for Garza.

 

Theo is looking for players who will help the club in around 3 years. So he's looking at A ball players essentially. That's why I think guys like Swihart, Cecchini, Owens, or maybe even Brentz would be the guys who get dealt. Not guys like Lavarnway, Kalish, etc. And the Sox FO won't dish any of the Bogaerts/Barnes/Bradley combo.

[SoxSport]

If Ellsbury is going to be traded, he will be traded in the offseason. Now with the new rules, the Sox would be hard pressed to get much for Ellsbury at the 2013 trade deadline because the acquiring team wouldn't get draft picks if he leaves.

 

I still think the Sox come down with a pretty big name pitcher, be it a guy like Garza, or if they really go for it and open up the farm for a guy like Felix (who, Z says isn't available, but I am sure that if they overwhelm the Mariners, they would be hard pressed to say no).

 

Lucchino may have to use a cattle prodder on Cherington to get anything big done in the next week.

[example1]

Kalish wouldn't get a deal done for Garza.

 

Theo is looking for players who will help the club in around 3 years. So he's looking at A ball players essentially. That's why I think guys like Swihart, Cecchini, Owens, or maybe even Brentz would be the guys who get dealt. Not guys like Lavarnway, Kalish, etc. And the Sox FO won't dish any of the Bogaerts/Barnes/Bradley combo.

 

I have to disagree with this. Kalish is 24 years old. He has 0 years of MLB experience. In 3 years he will be entering his first Arb season and be smack in the prime of his career. I think he is exactly the type of player Theo would love to have. There's no doubt he's MLB capable (unlike Swihart, Cecchini, Owens) but he hasn't used any of his time yet. The same is true for Lavarnway (minus the certainty that he can stick at the C position).

 

IMO, Kalish is the most valuable kind of prospect there is: right on the threshold of MLB service with virtually none of it exhausted. It will take zero internal resources for the Cubs to put him on the field. His upside isn't as high as a Hanley Ramirez in his first year, and he's a bit injury prone, but I can't see Theo et al., balking at a package centered around Kalish.

[SCM33]

Lucchino may have to use a cattle prodder on Cherington to get anything big done in the next week.

 

Why?

 

"Larry runs the Redsox"

 

This has pretty much been Larrys mess from day 1.

[a700hitter]

The Sox should refocus on renting Dempster for 2 months. The cost will be lower than the cost for Garza. I am especially leery of Garza since he left today's game with cramping in his forearm. We don't need to buy another TJ surgery.

[SoxSport]

Ouch. Don't send Kalish for Garza. That would be an absolute victory for Theo.

 

No point in sending young guys who are immediately part of the plan. The Sox can't bank on re-signing Ross. It would be nice if they could, but he could look at the clusterf*** here in Boston and want no part in it. Then where would they be?

 

I'm not sure what Theo would want here, but my untouchables (for Garza) list is pretty long. The guy I'm stuck on is Lavarnway. I like him, and think he could be a nice piece on the team. I also think he could get the deal done and am not sure where he fits in the Sox future plans. I would start with Britton, and maybe make it all the way to Lavarnway. Nava would be on the list of possible pieces as well.

 

Kalish can't be dealt because I don't think they can afford to keep both Ells and CC. Plus it will take a ransom to extend Ells with Boras as his agent. You know he will test the market.

 

As for Lav, right now he might be better than Salty. You can't deal a guy like that. He could be their next DH at the minimum, or maybe an all-star catcher in a few years. They have plenty of lower level prospects they can deal. Epstein knows them. Nava would fit as trade bait, but he has really dropped off in hitting. He has far fewer skills than Kalish.

[SemperFi Sox]

kalish is just not that good. If Ross f***s us' date=' we can find another OFer. There is no shortage of OFers better than Kalish at this point.[/quote']

 

Give the kid a break, he missed last season. I liked what I saw from him in 2010 when he was up here.

[a700hitter]

Give the kid a break' date=' he missed last season. I liked what I saw from him in 2010 when he was up here.[/quote']I didn't say that he sucked. He's good, but not so good that he should not be considered as a trade chip. it's not that hard to find a good OFer. Good pitching is in much shorter supply.