2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[FredLynn]

I would think Ortiz would obviously be the backup at first.

 

I think he is a defensive liability out there. Its possible for the short term to spell Gonzalez, but not if there is an injury involved. Guess we really have no one on the roster who can take over. Not sure Lavarnway has enough experience there, but Gomez or Anderson could be called up.

[BornToRun]

Ortiz's ability with the glove is incredibly underrated. He's actually a decent defensive first baseman.

[Spitball]

Ortiz's ability with the glove is incredibly underrated. He's actually a decent defensive first baseman.

 

I agree. He isn't Gonzalez. He isn't Youkilis...but he has performed acceptably for a back-up at first.

[SCM33]

Ortiz's ability with the glove is incredibly underrated. He's actually a decent defensive first baseman.

 

I hate when people say this (and dont take it personal, you just happen to be the one who brought it up).

 

Papi DH'ed while Millar, who was mostly an OF before he came to Boston, played 1B.

 

Millar was no stud at 1B, so that tells you what they thought of Papi.

 

Hes good enough to play 5 or 6 games a year at 1B, which is all he does.

[a700hitter]

I hate when people say this (and dont take it personal, you just happen to be the one who brought it up).

 

Papi DH'ed while Millar, who was mostly an OF before he came to Boston, played 1B.

 

Millar was no stud at 1B, so that tells you what they thought of Papi.

 

Hes good enough to play 5 or 6 games a year at 1B, which is all he does.

Millar in the field gave the Sox more flexibility than Ortiz. Millar could be moved between 1B and the OF during a game if needed. Ortiz couldn't. I don't think they necessarily thought so much more of Millar at 1B than Ortiz.

[SCM33]

Millar in the field gave the Sox more flexibility than Ortiz. Millar could be moved between 1B and the OF during a game if needed. Ortiz couldn't. I don't think they necessarily thought so much more of Millar at 1B than Ortiz.

 

Was there really a need for Millar to play the OF when you had Manny, Damon, Kapler, Roberts and Nixon already out there?

 

I see what you are saying, he provided flexibility, but there was no reason to ever put someone else at 1B and Millar in the OF when you had all those other options.

 

Millar at 1B and Ortiz DH'ing was their best defensive alignment. And Millar wasn't that great to begin with. He always looked a little awkward/un-athletic over there.

[a700hitter]

Was there really a need for Millar to play the OF when you had Manny, Damon, Kapler, Roberts and Nixon already out there?

 

I see what you are saying, he provided flexibility, but there was no reason to ever put someone else at 1B and Millar in the OF when you had all those other options.

 

Millar at 1B and Ortiz DH'ing was their best defensive alignment. And Millar wasn't that great to begin with. He always looked a little awkward/un-athletic over there.

He really didn't do a bad job at 1B. He was adequate. He never hurt us too badly in the OF either. He was slow with a weak arm, but he postioned well and he had good instincts. He looked awkward, but the results weren't bad.

 

As for the other OFers you mentioned, we had Roberts for only a couple of months. He rarely played. Nixon was on the DL for a good portion of Millar's time in Boston, so Millar played a lot of RF. Also, once Ortiz had proved that he could handle the DH spot, there was no reason to move him into the field. Most guys hate DHing ad don't do well as everyday DH's.

[Spitball]

Papi DH'ed while Millar, who was mostly an OF before he came to Boston, played 1B.

 

Millar was no stud at 1B, so that tells you what they thought of Papi.

 

Actually, Millar was a first baseman before he came to Boston. I remember watching him play first base, and a some third base, for the Portland Sea Dogs when they were a Marlins' farm team back in the late '90s. He played 446 minor league games at first, 133 at third, and only 30 in the outfield. He was trained as a corner infielder.

 

In the majors with the Marlins, he never played more than 30 games in the outfield in a season. If it hadn't been for the acquisition of first baseman Derek Lee by the Marlins, Millar would probably not have played any games in the outfield. He was never primarily an outfielder.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lets say Hamels becomes available.

 

Assuming the Sox are able to get an extension done, do you send 2 of Barnes/Bradley/Bogaerts, plus Lavarnway to Philly for him?

[a700hitter]

Lets say Hamels becomes available.

 

Assuming the Sox are able to get an extension done, do you send 2 of Barnes/Bradley/Bogaerts, plus Lavarnway to Philly for him?

There is no way that his price should be so high. The Phillies didn't pay such a price for Halladay when they got him.

[SoxFanForsyth]

There is no way that his price should be so high. The Phillies didn't pay such a price for Halladay when they got him.

 

But, but, but Cliff Lee got a haul!!!

 

/Jackso

 

Well it will certainly take 1 of the big 3 though, plus a Lavarnway

[a700hitter]

But, but, but Cliff Lee got a haul!!!

 

/Jackso

 

Well it will certainly take 1 of the big 3 though, plus a Lavarnway

For 2 months, the price always ends up being much lower than people anticipate.

[SemperFi Sox]

Lets say Hamels becomes available.

 

Assuming the Sox are able to get an extension done, do you send 2 of Barnes/Bradley/Bogaerts, plus Lavarnway to Philly for him?

 

Hell to the no, I take my chances in FA.

[example1]

Lets say Hamels becomes available.

 

Assuming the Sox are able to get an extension done, do you send 2 of Barnes/Bradley/Bogaerts, plus Lavarnway to Philly for him?

 

Why wouldn't we send Middlebrooks for him?

 

/sarcasm.

 

Point being, the excitement we have about Middlebrooks is what we could have with Bogaerts, Barnes and maybe Bradley in 2-3 years. You shouldn't trade an untouchable prospect, even a few years before they become untouchable, IMO, because there's nothing more valuable than an all-star caliber player at Daniel Nava caliber prices.

 

In all honesty, if the Sox could have Hamels for an extra year then I would probably make that deal (Boegarts and Bradley, not Barnes), but he's a FA in a few months so that price would be much too high.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Why wouldn't we send Middlebrooks for him?

 

/sarcasm.

 

Point being, the excitement we have about Middlebrooks is what we could have with Bogaerts, Barnes and maybe Bradley in 2-3 years. You shouldn't trade an untouchable prospect, even a few years before they become untouchable, IMO, because there's nothing more valuable than an all-star caliber player at Daniel Nava caliber prices.

 

In all honesty, if the Sox could have Hamels for an extra year then I would probably make that deal (Boegarts and Bradley, not Barnes), but he's a FA in a few months so that price would be much too high.

 

Gotta think Bogaerts is completely untouchable at this point especially for a pitcher due 100mil (even if that was also a year away), at least until it's certain he's not a SS.

 

Though I'd move Barnes if it was for a genuine ace since Lester, Buchholz, Beckett (even Lackey), Doubront, are all under control for a while

[SemperFi Sox]

Bogaerts isn't going anywhere for anyone. He's comparable to Hanley and once he fills out...Look out. It's just too bad he won't stick at SS. Just our luck.

[example1]

Gotta think Bogaerts is completely untouchable at this point especially for a pitcher due 100mil (even if that was also a year away), at least until it's certain he's not a SS.

 

Though I'd move Barnes if it was for a genuine ace since Lester, Buchholz, Beckett (even Lackey), Doubront, are all under control for a while

 

I would move him for an ace, but not for 6 months of an ace. 1.5 years at the least. Hamels is a FA after this year. It would still be worth moving someone for Hamels, but not Barnes.

 

I actually don't think the Sox match up that great with Philly for a Hamels trade. They would have a year ago, when a guy like Doubront was probably on the block, but Barnes is too good and I bet their interest in Ranaudo would be pretty limited.

[example1]

This is probably the last weekend for Kevin Youkilis in Boston. Even though we are all ready for him to move on I think it is fair to say that he has been a great Red Sox player over the past 5-7 years.

 

Interestingly, I haven't seen any speculation on which player might be returned for him. Even though most people think the Sox won't get anyone, I suspect they will get somebody with a little bit of value if they pick up some of his salary. Youkilis could really come and solidify a lineup if he can regain his OBP skills.

 

White Sox apparently the front runner this morning.

[SemperFi Sox]

This is probably the last weekend for Kevin Youkilis in Boston. Even though we are all ready for him to move on I think it is fair to say that he has been a great Red Sox player over the past 5-7 years.

 

Interestingly, I haven't seen any speculation on which player might be returned for him. Even though most people think the Sox won't get anyone, I suspect they will get somebody with a little bit of value if they pick up some of his salary. Youkilis could really come and solidify a lineup if he can regain his OBP skills.

 

White Sox apparently the front runner this morning.

 

My guess is that he goes to LA. We'd probably get back a B prospect at best. He has some value because he can play both 1B/3B and works counts. But yeah we'd have to eat a chunk of his remaining salary.

[seabeachfred]

I live in the Los Angeles area (Arcadia), about 17 miles from Los Angeles and the Dodgers are the home team around this area and I know they need hitting in the worst way. T hey also have a half-ass first baseman named James Loney, who can't hit, can't with power, can't run, and must be their sacred cow because there is no reason he should even be in the lineup. Youk would be a good pick for them and he can also play 3B because the Dodger third sacker Juan Uribe is a slug. We could ask f or a prospect like Jery Sands, a 1B and OF, but my fear is that our stupid GM might ask for Loney and create another controversy over playing time. But a Sands for Youk trade might work.

[BornToRun]

You're insane if you think Ben would go for loney. I know you have a hard on for cherington bashing but the man wouldnt make such a incomprehensibly stupid move.

[ellsburyforMVP]

You're insane if you think Ben would go for loney. I know you have a hard on for cherington bashing but the man wouldnt make such a incomprehensibly stupid move.

 

Kemp for Youk.......

 

Hey, if you can dream about having 2 unbelievably hot broadcasters in your bed, I can dream about this

[BornToRun]

Kemp for Youk.......

 

Hey, if you can dream about having 2 unbelievably hot broadcasters in your bed, I can dream about this

 

It's America, isn't it?

[Station 13]

Anyone seen MacDime lately?

[ellsburyforMVP]

Anyone seen MacDime lately?

 

Keeping him healthy, my sources are saying the dodgers are balking at the youk for kemp deal cause it would leave a hole in their OF..... So the dodgers FO is pushing hard for the sox to add McDonald to the deal to " sweeten the pot "

 

I,personally, am against this.... I mean, seriously how often do you find a guy like dmac with his versatility? Can kemp come in to pitch a gm in extra innings and throw 57 mph meatballs? Ya, didn't think so...... Hold strong cherry!!! Don't give up on dmac!!

 

Well I gotta go, nurse said its time for my medication.....

[SoxSport]

If they're smart , they'll deal Ellsbury for an ace starter like Felix. Or maybe even Garza. Ellsbury is rapidly becoming expendable, especially if CC comes back better. CC and Kalish make Ells expendable, especially with Boras as his agent.

[SoxSport]

I live in the Los Angeles area (Arcadia)' date=' about 17 miles from Los Angeles and the Dodgers are the home team around this area and I know they need hitting in the worst way. T hey also have a half-ass first baseman named James Loney, who can't hit, can't with power, can't run, and must be their sacred cow because there is no reason he should even be in the lineup. Youk would be a good pick for them and he can also play 3B because the Dodger third sacker Juan Uribe is a slug. We could ask f or a prospect like Jery Sands, a 1B and OF, but my fear is that our stupid GM might ask for Loney and create another controversy over playing time. But a Sands for Youk trade might work.[/quote']

 

Youks should be better at 1B than 3B, at this point. I'm surprised there isn't as much demand for him there.

 

Somebody is going to get a good player for cheap. He has been mishandled in Boston, and has had bad luck with injuries.

[SoxSport]

This is probably the last weekend for Kevin Youkilis in Boston. Even though we are all ready for him to move on I think it is fair to say that he has been a great Red Sox player over the past 5-7 years.

 

Interestingly, I haven't seen any speculation on which player might be returned for him. Even though most people think the Sox won't get anyone, I suspect they will get somebody with a little bit of value if they pick up some of his salary. Youkilis could really come and solidify a lineup if he can regain his OBP skills.

 

White Sox apparently the front runner this morning.

 

It's a shame. But AdGon and now Middlebrooks have pushed him out of Boston, along with the injuries.

[SemperFi Sox]

If they're smart ' date=' they'll deal Ellsbury for an ace starter like Felix. Or maybe even Garza. Ellsbury is rapidly becoming expendable, especially if CC comes back better. CC and Kalish make Ells expendable, especially with Boras as his agent.[/quote']

 

Garza isnt an ace, and you'll need about 3 top prospects to go along with Ellsbury if you want King Felix.

[a700hitter]

With Beckett and Buchholz on the DL, I think they need to get a good starter in here.