5/17 @ Rays

[FredLynn]

Gonzalez had an .893 OPS after the ASB last year. He OPS'd .957 overall. Going into last season (and not counting his first 2 seasons which he didn't play consistently), he had a career OPS of .888. His career OPS+ (park adjusted) was 141, and taking the first 2 seasons out of the equation actually help the numbers (sub .700 OPS in each of his first 2 seasons).

 

People want to crush him for September. Well, in September all he did was hit .318 with a .977 OPS.

 

I mean, my question is what the hell do you people expect from him? Yes. He's in a power slump. He hit 10 HR after the ASB last season, which is a pace for 24 HR over a 162 game stretch. He hit 27 overall last year.

 

Yes, last year he had 8 HR by the 38th game. But that's also because he went on a tear and hit 7 in 10 games. Do we really all of a sudden think he's incapable of going on the same tear??

 

Come on guys. People expect him to be a 1.000+ OPS guy. He was in the MVP voting last year, and came in 7th. So he was the 7th best player in the MLB, 6th of all position players, and 1st among all 1st Basemen (Cabrera was above him, but he's a 3rd baseman now, semantics).

 

It's just a ridiculous argument. It's one of those things where we watched him last year and he was extremely streaky. He'd hit 7 in 10 games, then he'd go 15 or 20 games without one. It's just the type of player he is.

 

He'll hit his HR. His numbers will be there by the end of the year. So why don't we acknowledge that, and be thankful that this team has grinded out 6 wins and 7 games, and understand that for Gonzo to get to his numbers, he's going to have to do it in a shortened season at this point which is good for us, because we survived without him. Now this team can make a big push with him hitting, which he will do.

 

I'll place a sig bet with any person on here that Gonzalez will hit over .300 this year with over 110 RBI and over 30 HR. Anyone.

 

As I wrote, its this year's performance that is getting old. I didn't get on his case for what he did last year. Last year our pitching fell apart and we finished NINTH in ERA in the AL. For THIS YEAR he has been very disappointing so far. Thats what I have been saying all along. Its about the here and now.

[kapsis21]

My comparison was based on career numbers. I should have been specific about that. Based on career numbers' date=' he is closer to Adam Dunn than the others.[/quote']

 

career wise he has been 30HR guy always. he only hit 40 once in 2009.

so if he has 12 by the end of the year there is a problem.. but otherwise this is the only year he is not on par yet. his career numbers when compared to Tiexera are better and he is no Pujols we all know that.

 

i am hoping he gets loose one of these games find his rythm and f***ing go on a tear .. i hope Magadan is watching tape and understanding what pitchers are doing to him.. its a mind game after all!

[a700hitter]

career wise he has been 30HR guy always. he only hit 40 once in 2009.

so if he has 12 by the end of the year there is a problem.. but otherwise this is the only year he is not on par yet. his career numbers when compared to Tiexera are better and he is no Pujols we all know that.

 

i am hoping he gets loose one of these games find his rythm and f***ing go on a tear .. i hope Magadan is watching tape and understanding what pitchers are doing to him.. its a mind game after all!

His career OPS is closer to Dunn's that Texeira's. Not only doesn't he not compare to Pujols, but he doesn't come close to Miggy Cabrera, Fielder and Ortiz.

[redsoxbeatz]

Isn't the point of spring training to get the ******** out of the way so one doesn't spend 2+ months find his swing again? I understand baseball season is meant to be full of ups & downs on an individual & team basis but Adrian is earning 154 millon f***ing dollars. He is in his prime. C'MON!!

[kapsis21]

Isn't the point of spring training to get the ******** out of the way so one doesn't spend 2+ months find his swing again? I understand baseball season is meant to be full of ups & downs on an individual & team basis but Adrian is earning 154 millon f***ing dollars. He is in his prime. C'MON!!

 

patience my friend is all i can say for now. 2 months down the line maybe i would say the same thing. :dunno:

[kapsis21]

His career OPS is closer to Dunn's that Texeira's. Not only doesn't he not compare to Pujols' date=' but he doesn't come close to Miggy Cabrera, Fielder and Ortiz.[/quote']

 

Tiexiera is at .898 AGon is at .884 career wise. lets not cherry pick here both are having bad seasons, Tex with average and AGon with his HR power. they however have the same RBIs this year.

agreed that career OPS for Dunn is at .878 close to AGon but Dunn doesnt have a good BA while AGon has the best among all of them career wise.

as far as comparing to Albert who is coming down to earth after playing the AL he is totally sucking right now until he hit 2 HR back to back days. just waiting for that for AGON (edit by that i mean waiting for AGON to break out for HR and not waiting for him to suck btw )

he needs to fix things that is a given, BV or Magadan definitely need to see some tapes and change his approach. he has been missing this whole month except for that 3RBI night in KC. hoping to see him back in form in this NL Interleague games.

 

was it a mistake that we are overpaying for someone like AGON at 1st base for his offense, yep for sure. but we knew what we were going into and had no other option....

his career HRs is at 197 vs Tex at 319 and Tex has only played 1 more season than AGON

[a700hitter]

was it a mistake that we are overpaying for someone like AGON at 1st base for his offense, yep for sure. but we knew what we were going into and had no other option....

his career HRs is at 197 vs Tex at 319 and Tex has only played 1 more season than AGON

To pay the a first baseman the kind of money paid to Gonzo, IMO he should be the best of the best. He is not. For half his price, I'll take Konerko and use the money saved on a higher premium position.

[redsoxbeatz]

CC & AG are becoming interchangeable.... ^^^^^^^

[kapsis21]

To pay the a first baseman the kind of money paid to Gonzo' date=' IMO he should be the best of the best. He is not. For half his price, I'll take Konerko and use the money saved on a higher premium position.[/quote']

but we went on AGONs numbers till july august when he signed the deal, and he was hitting everything and going for 35-40HRs... could be he is just having a bad year or pitchers have enough tape on him to go for his week spot.

give him time he will come through..

btw Albert Pujols is only making 12million this year..

[redsoxrules]

To pay the a first baseman the kind of money paid to Gonzo' date=' IMO he should be the best of the best. He is not. For half his price, I'll take Konerko and use the money saved on a higher premium position.[/quote']

 

Gonzo was pretty awesome last year and there's still 4 months of baseball left to turn it around for this year

[BornToRun]

Gonzo was pretty awesome last year and there's still 4 months of baseball left to turn it around for this year

 

f*** that man. Lets just ignore the fact that he hit .330 with 25+ HR and 110+ RBI last year. It's nowhere near as fun as calling him a bust and JD Drew less than 2 months into the season.

[FredLynn]

f*** that man. Lets just ignore the fact that he hit .330 with 25+ HR and 110+ RBI last year. It's nowhere near as fun as calling him a bust and JD Drew less than 2 months into the season.

 

No one is calling him JD Drew-like for the first two month of this season. He is, in fact, worse than Drew....and slower.

[Bellhorn04]

No one is calling him JD Drew-like for the first two month of this season. He is' date=' in fact, worse than Drew....and slower.[/quote']

 

It's not 2 months. Check your calendar.

[BornToRun]

No one is calling him JD Drew-like for the first two month of this season. He is' date=' in fact, worse than Drew....and slower.[/quote']

And you're crazier than I thought if you think that. Seriously, where can I get my hands on some of what you're smoking because it has got to be some grade A s***.

[jung]

Well if in part we are defining AGonz as streaky I don't know that he has been necessarily "streaky" throughout his career. However if he is now streaky he would be a hell of a lot less streaky if he would just make good plate appearances. That is totally on him and begins to look like a bunch of pouty ******** after awhile.

 

Sometimes it gets so bad that on certain nights as the game progresses he does not let a single first pitch go by...not one. Not only that he often does not put a good swing on the ball and just ends up looking like he is trying to get his ass back to the dugout as fast as he can get there.

 

He could at least make life easier for himself by not swinging at pitchers pitches. As a professional pitcher you would have to be dead and to stupid to fall over if you did not have Agonz totally figured out at this point. Now the pitchers are just giving him almost but not quite the pitches that he wants and then putting him away with the pitches that he cannot handle or on occasion they just throw him pitches that he cannot handle until they put him away.

[a700hitter]

f*** that man. Lets just ignore the fact that he hit .330 with 25+ HR and 110+ RBI last year. It's nowhere near as fun as calling him a bust and JD Drew less than 2 months into the season.

I am not saying that poduction stinks. It is pretty damn good, but 25 HRs is not worth $22 million/year for a first baseman. He is falling short of what people thought he would do at Fenway. There's no way I would have taken a bet at the beginning of last year that he would hit less than 35 HRs. This year I am willing to take SFF's sig bet if the HR amount is 35. I am not complaining about Gonzo. I love guys that hit .300 with .900 OPS. I am criticizing Theo for spending money the wrong way.

[Laser Show]

Would I rather have resigned Beltre and kept Youk at 1B? Maybe, probably, who knows? Think a couple of years ago though, everyone in RSN wanted Gonzo more than anyone. He was the one player everyone here coveted, possibly due to our FO overhyping him.

[FredLynn]

And you're crazier than I thought if you think that. Seriously' date=' where can I get my hands on some of what you're smoking because it has got to be some grade A s***.[/quote']

 

Well, I could tell you the answer to that, but then I'd have to kill you.

[FredLynn]

It's not 2 months. Check your calendar.

 

Great. Six weeks then. In two more weeks of Drew-like numbers I will repost this as two months.

The point is that he is being paid huge dollars and isn't measuring up yet this season. I expect more out of him.

[BornToRun]

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