Nationals to Sign Edwin jackson

[jung]

Come on light myself on fiaaaaa......Come on light myself on fiaaaaaaa.......Come on light myself on fiaaaaaAAAAAAA!!!! Sorry....could not help myself. Cultural flash from the past just shot through the old cranium.

[Spudboy]

I think you meant, Ay caramba!

 

AsI es, Ay Caramba!

 

I spelled it phonetically. I make no pretense about my ability to speak any other language.

[Spudboy]

There is just nothing better to talk about? The Nats? really?

[iortiz]

I spelled it phonetically. I make no pretense about my ability to speak any other language.

 

I know Spud, I was agreeing with you when I said "Asi es= de acuerdo=Agree", I was joking with you, no big deal at all my friend.

[seabeachfred]

There is just nothing better to talk about? The Nats? really?

 

Apparently not Spudboy. Somehow the Jackson thread got expanded to talks about new stadiums, tv revenue and small vs big market teams. That's ok with me but it makes me wonder how a big market and rich team like ours can't write a damn check to get us a quality pitcher and instead signs every swinging trash collector it can. Apparently, Henry needs to save his money for another yacht or for buying a football team.

[a700hitter]

Expansion of the brand into other markets is beneficial overall' date=' as expanded revenues are good, period. However, expansion beyond the local market provides no competitive advantage over the other teams. Everything outside of the local market is shared evenly through revenue sharing. This is why international popularity has no impact on big/small market classification.[/quote']This is not true at all. Visiting teams directly benefit from the gates that they help generate. The Red Sox pack ballparks all over the league and in interleague play, because they have fans worldwide. Also because of their popularity fans travel all over the country to watch the Sox. There are also other income streams that benefit the Sox without sharing. Fenway bricks have been purchased by fans all over the country and the world, not just local people. Revenues from Red Sox Destinations are not shared and they are directly attributable to the expanded footprint of Red Sox fandom.

[User Name]

This is not true at all. Visiting teams directly benefit from the gates that they help generate. The Red Sox pack ballparks all over the league and in interleague play' date=' because they have fans worldwide. Also because of their popularity fans travel all over the country to watch the Sox. There are also other income streams that benefit the Sox without sharing. Fenway bricks have been purchased by fans all over the country and the world, not just local people. Revenues from Red Sox Destinations are not shared and they are directly attributable to the expanded footprint of Red Sox fandom.[/quote']

 

This is misguided. The Sox fan movement barely helps the Sox themselves, it helps the other team, since most of the gate money goes to the home team.

[VA Sox Fan]

This is misguided. The Sox fan movement barely helps the Sox themselves' date=' it helps the other team, since most of the gate money goes to the home team.[/quote']

 

So misguided. I guess that is what you think when you live on Long Island.

 

But it's all good. To each his own.

[a700hitter]

Two facts:

 

1. No one goes to their games. Attendance 14 out of 16 trailed only by Pittsburgh and Marlins.

 

2. No one watches their games. Ranked 27 out of 30 teams in the ratings.

 

Conclusion: They are a big market team. LOL! They should be a big market team , but they are not.

[seabeachfred]

Two facts:

 

1. No one goes to their games. Attendance 14 out of 16 trailed only by Pittsburgh and Marlins.

 

2. No one watches their games. Ranked 27 out of 30 teams in the ratings.

 

Conclusion: They are a big market team. LOL! They should be a big market team , but they are not.

 

You know what frosts my ass 700? You mention the Nationals who have not been hesitant to spend money this winter and no way they're a big market team. Us? We are a big market team and we've been pinching pennies so hard this winter that they're screaming for mercy, and to top it off you would think ownership knowing we had a bad collapse last September would tell the fans they would go the extra mile to get us to speed so that this season we would be armed and dangerous. Instead we head for ST probably a 3rd place team in the pre-season matchups. Fortunately it is just a paper prediction and maybe our team can show what the football Giants did this season and over-achieve, give us at least a division title and give Henry and Lucchino a big middle finger for trying to starve them for the help they could have used.

[seabeachfred]

Two facts:

 

1. No one goes to their games. Attendance 14 out of 16 trailed only by Pittsburgh and Marlins.

 

2. No one watches their games. Ranked 27 out of 30 teams in the ratings.

 

Conclusion: They are a big market team. LOL! They should be a big market team , but they are not.

[User Name]

You do know part of the reason the Nationals and Marlins are throwing money left and right is because they are required to do so by the MLB Revenue Sharing agreement?

 

Also, DC is, by definition, a big market.

[VA Sox Fan]

You know what frosts my ass 700? You mention the Nationals who have not been hesitant to spend money this winter and no way they're a big market team. Us? We are a big market team and we've been pinching pennies so hard this winter that they're screaming for mercy' date=' and to top it off you would think ownership knowing we had a bad collapse last September would tell the fans they would go the extra mile to get us to speed so that this season we would be armed and dangerous. Instead we head for ST probably a 3rd place team in the pre-season matchups. Fortunately it is just a paper prediction and maybe our team can show what the football Giants did this season and over-achieve, give us at least a division title and give Henry and Lucchino a big middle finger for trying to starve them for the help they could have used.[/quote']

 

Maybe it would be cool to become a Nats fan? :dunno:

[VA Sox Fan]

You do know part of the reason the Nationals and Marlins are throwing money left and right is because they are required to do so by the MLB Revenue Sharing agreement?

 

Also, DC is, by definition, a big market.

 

So true.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Maybe it would be cool to become a Nats fan? :dunno:

 

It's the hipster thing to do.

 

Wait, no, the hipster thing would be to wear an Expos jersey while rooting for the Nationals.

[Emmz]

It's the hipster thing to do.

 

Wait, no, the hipster thing would be to wear an Expos jersey while rooting for the Nationals.

 

Yeah, you can't just be a hipster doing something trendy. Ya gotta say you were into it before it was the hip thing to do.

[NativeBostonian]

Dammit!

 

 

pffff... well, As I said, I'm not surprised that a small market team like the Nats sign Jackson. I want to see the terms. Nats are building an interesting rotation.

 

I wouldn't consider them a small market team. Their owner has more money then the Steinbrenners. Good to see them using it.

[User Name]

I wouldn't consider them a small market team. Their owner has more money then the Steinbrenners. Good to see them using it.

 

They're also located in the DC area and own half of a cable network. That's about as small market as the Lakers.

[seabeachfred]

Maybe it would be cool to become a Nats fan? :dunno:

 

Good idea VA; why don't you become a Nats fan? It would do you good and you wouldn't have to read things that would upset you since Nats fans are all pretty homgenious and maybe a little dull. Let me know when you make the conversion and I'll even throw in pink Nats hat on me.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[User Name]

So you know all Nats fans Fred?

[a700hitter]

Maybe it would be cool to become a Nats fan? :dunno:

 

You should become a Nationals fan. You live in their big market.

[a700hitter]

So misguided. I guess that is what you think when you live on Long Island.

 

But it's all good. To each his own.

You didn't post for about a week, and you come back and still post nothing of substance. You just bitch and moan about other posters. There was a lot less whining when you were on hiatus.

[iortiz]

I said that I didn't want to continue with this thread since we were going in circles and it was not fun anymore. Nevertheless I'm still curious in this baseball topic. I was about to open a thread but we already have this one here. I do not want to fight, Trust me. That is not my intention with this excersice at all. I just want to clarify some concepts and make my own conclusion. If you want to help me, I will appreciate it. I will understand if you do not want to participate anymore.

 

My first question is, what is the accurate definition of big/small market team?, and the must important thing, How do we measure its size? I already put one definition and several were not agree. ORS said that the size of a market team = revenue. I agreed with this since it was somehow correlated with that definition, but again, I want to start with a good base. Do not throw numbers yet. Just the definition. My attempt is that together we can reach a good conclusion here. Step by step.

 

Can we take revenue as a measure unit? Or do you suggest another measure unit?

[ORS]

This is not true at all. Visiting teams directly benefit from the gates that they help generate. The Red Sox pack ballparks all over the league and in interleague play' date=' because they have fans worldwide. Also because of their popularity fans travel all over the country to watch the Sox. There are also other income streams that benefit the Sox without sharing. Fenway bricks have been purchased by fans all over the country and the world, not just local people. Revenues from Red Sox Destinations are not shared and they are directly attributable to the expanded footprint of Red Sox fandom.[/quote']

Not true. The split gate went away with the 1997 CBA that introduced the current revenue sharing system.

 

http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4286:sports-labor-101-is-there-a-gate-split-in-mlb&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

 

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[User Name]

I said that I didn't want to continue with this thread since we were going in circles and it was not fun anymore. Nevertheless I'm still curious in this baseball topic. I was about to open a thread but we already have this one here. I do not want to fight, Trust me. That is not my intention with this excersice at all. I just want to clarify some concepts and make my own conclusion. If you want to help me, I will appreciate it. I will understand if you do not want to participate anymore.

 

My first question is, what is the accurate definition of big/small market team?, and the must important thing, How do we measure its size? I already put one definition and several were not agree. ORS said that the size of a market team = revenue. I agreed with this since it was somehow correlated with that definition, but again, I want to start with a good base. Do not throw numbers yet. Just the definition. My attempt is that together we can reach a good conclusion here. Step by step.

 

Can we take revenue as a measure unit? Or do you suggest another measure unit?

 

A team's market size, for baseball purposes, is defined three things: Its actual market size (as in, people and viewer population) its revenue stream, and the team's ability to spend.

[iortiz]

A team's market size' date=' for baseball purposes, is defined three things: Its actual market size (as in, people and viewer population) its revenue stream, and the team's ability to spend.[/quote']

 

Good start. In order to create credibility and a good foundation in this analysis, do you have a source that says "A team's market size, for baseball purposes, is defined three things: Its actual market size (as in, people and viewer population) its revenue stream, and the team's ability to spend."? or it is just your opinion?.

[User Name]

Good start. In order to create credibility and a good foundation in this analysis' date=' do you have a source that says "A team's market size, for baseball purposes, is defined three things: Its actual market size (as in, people and viewer population) its revenue stream, and the team's ability to spend."? or it is just your opinion?.[/quote']

 

The problem is that no one has "a" definition when in regards to a team's market size. However, it is generally accepted that a team's market size is defined by its ability to spend. Out of the three things i mentioned, a and b are what lead to c, which is the basis of the large/mid/small size nomenclature.

[Elktonnick]

The NATs are generally considered a "small " market team because: Revenues from MASN are split 90% Orioles, and 10% Nationals, and that will only shift to a 67% - 33% split in 20 years. It was part of the sweetheart package to the Orioles for swiping half their market away from them and relocating the Expos to DC .

 

BTW the metro Washington area is considered the 9 th largest media market including radio And the Nats divide that territory with the O's.

 

Are the O's a small market team? If your answer is yes then so are the NATS!

[User Name]

The Orioles have never been, and are not, a small market team.

 

The split is currently not 90-10, and the Nationals are getting, in order to offset the MASN issue, a big bite out of the revenue-sharing program.

 

In other words, they play in a large market, have considerable sources of revenue, and have shown a willingness and ability to spend.

[seabeachfred]

You didn't post for about a week' date=' and you come back and still post nothing of substance. You just bitch and moan about other posters. There was a lot less whining when you were on hiatus.[/quote']

 

Well what are you going to do 700? VA has full confidence that the front office knows what it's doing and cannot understand how some of us can see that in many instances they don't. Since she apparently doesn't know that much about baseball save for the fact that she loves the Red Sox, she becomes unglued when discouraging words are splashed on the computer board. Well she put me on ignore so she no longer has to read anything I write so I most likely will not hear much from her from here on in.