Yankees trade for Pineda

[Meh]

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As for diony post, I agree I REALLY like Noesi. I wish him and Montero all the best. I've said before I'd rather sell high on Nova this off season than trading Noesi cause I think Noesi will end up being better than Nova career wise.

[a700hitter]

Seriously, if you don't believe me, take a look at this. Pineda has absolutely feasted on terrible offensive teams, and has gotten lit up by better teams. Bolded are the teams he has succeeded against, and the ones who have eaten him up are in italics.

 

------------ IP---ERA--WHIP-BAA--Offensive's rank

vs. BAL 13.0 2.77 1.15 .255 #14

vs. BOS 4.1 14.54 2.08 .381 #2

vs. CWS 13.0 2.77 0.85 .182 #18

vs. DET 11.1 5.56 1.41 .261 #4

vs. KC 14.0 2.57 0.93 .174 #10

vs. LAA 5.0 12.60 1.60 .286 #17

vs. MIN 11.0 1.64 1.00 .209 #25

vs. NYY 5.0 5.40 1.60 .167 #1

vs. OAK 18.0 2.00 1.00 .185 #20

vs. TB 12.1 2.19 0.89 .175 #15

vs. TEX 19.0 4.74 1.05 .239 #3

vs. TOR 18.2 5.30 1.39 .243 #6

vs. ATL 6.1 5.68 1.42 .182 #22

vs. PHI 6.0 1.50 0.83 .105 #13

vs. SD 7.0 0.00 0.43 .087 #28

vs. WAS 7.0 0.00 0.71 .160 #23

I don't remember who he said it to, but Willie Mays imparted to a young player one of his secrets for being great. He told the kid that he just tries to hold his own against the good pitchers, getting 1 hit in 3 or 4 ABs made him happy, but he feasted on everyone else. That's always the way it is for pitchers and batters alike. This kid is good. I'd love to have a 22 year old kid at 6'7" pumping easy gas at 97 with a good breaking ball.

[a700hitter]

When I heard this news, I actually was excited, because I figured it meant the starting pitcher market was wide open for the Red Sox to get Kuroda for themselves.... then, "oh s***".

Why would the Yankees screw us just once when they can screw us twice?

[example1]

I don't remember who he said it to' date=' but Willie Mays imparted to a young player one of his secrets for being great. He told the kid that he just tries to hold his own against the good pitchers, getting 1 hit in 3 or 4 ABs made him happy, but he feasted on everyone else. That's always the way it is for pitchers and batters alike. This kid is good. I'd love to have a 22 year old kid at 6'7" pumping easy gas at 97 with a good breaking ball.[/quote']

 

This is absolutely true. Pineda is a great pickup for the Yankees. There's no doubt about that. Sox fans are right to be jealous of this move. The Yankees gave up good talent, but Pineda will be a mainstay in their rotation for a long, long time. Works well for both teams.

[example1]

Why would the Yankees screw us just once when they can screw us twice?

 

gluttonous f***s!

[a700hitter]

gluttonous f***s!

They constantly remind me of why I hate them so much.

[example1]

They constantly remind me of why I hate them so much.

 

The problem is it isn't CONSTANT. It is intermittent. That makes it worse!

 

Just when I think we'll have an offseason without much noise from them, I get a text from a friend saying they made a big move and signed a FA. FUUUCK!!!

 

The thing to remember here: the Red Sox will make moves too. Last year at this time the Sox had added Crawford and Gonzalez and Yankees fans were pissed off, hoping for Garcia and Colon to pan out.

 

This s*** ebbs and flows. I think the Sox have moves in them too, they will just wait for the right time.

[a700hitter]

The problem is it isn't CONSTANT. It is intermittent. That makes it worse!

 

Just when I think we'll have an offseason without much noise from them, I get a text from a friend saying they made a big move and signed a FA. FUUUCK!!!

 

The thing to remember here: the Red Sox will make moves too. Last year at this time the Sox had added Crawford and Gonzalez and Yankees fans were pissed off, hoping for Garcia and Colon to pan out.

 

This s*** ebbs and flows. I think the Sox have moves in them too, they will just wait for the right time.

When my ass is bleeding, it's hard to think that it is only intermittent. You are right. We have had the ebb. Now we could use some flow.

[Meh]

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/1/14/2706763/despite-moving-from-safeco-pineda-should-thrive-as-a-yankee

[italstallianion]

Why don't the Yankees just sign Oswalt as insurance to REALLY stick it to Boston while they are at it? The fact that Oswalt wouldn't be in Boston and that Boston would have to settle with the junkyard is worth the money in addition to the fact that Oswalt would be much better than some of the backend options for the Yankees. (It'd also give them the option to dump Burnett in a trade to save money or get a prospect or two)

 

I'm just saying that Oswalt's pitching ability + taking another option away from Boston is more than worth the $8 million asking price.

[Meh]

eh, I don't really want Oswalt. His back issues kind of scare me, I think the Red Sox would be better off giving Edwin Jackson a three year deal. He's a really good pitcher and it's not like you have pitching prospects who are ready right now. In three years Barnes should be ready to take over Jackson's spot.

[Divinity]

Why don't the Yankees just sign Oswalt as insurance to REALLY stick it to Boston while they are at it? The fact that Oswalt wouldn't be in Boston and that Boston would have to settle with the junkyard is worth the money in addition to the fact that Oswalt would be much better than some of the backend options for the Yankees. (It'd also give them the option to dump Burnett in a trade to save money or get a prospect or two)

 

I'm just saying that Oswalt's pitching ability + taking another option away from Boston is more than worth the $8 million asking price.

 

That would be overkill, the Yankees are already favorites for winning the AL East again this year. Plus in the playoffs you only need 3 pitchers.

[User Name]

That would be overkill' date=' the Yankees are already favorites for winning the AL East again this year. Plus in the playoffs you only need 3 pitchers.[/quote']

 

Two injuries later, and this post looks moronic. There is not such a thing as "too much pitching".

[ORS]

I'd love to have a 22 year old kid at 6'7" pumping easy gas at 97 with a good breaking ball.

What about a 27 y/o who is only 6' 4" with easy gas and good breaking ball, interested?

[italstallianion]

That would be overkill' date=' the Yankees are already favorites for winning the AL East again this year. Plus in the playoffs you only need 3 pitchers.[/quote']

 

It would be overkill, but then Cashman can make a troll face at Cherington and say "u mad bro?"

 

If the Yankees aren't going to sign him then they might as well make sure as hell that the Sox don't sign him. Gotta kick your rival while they're down.

[redsoxbeatz]

Sucks for the sox?

 

2013 is our year...

[Meh]

Two injuries later' date=' and this post looks moronic. There is not such a thing as "too much pitching".[/quote']

 

We'd still have five major league starters and Warren, Phelps and then Betances and Banuelos at Triple-A. I wonder if they keep Mitchell in the rotation or will they go out and sign a vet to store in Triple-A now.

[User Name]

We'd still have five major league starters and Warren' date=' Phelps and then Betances and Banuelos at Triple-A. I wonder if they keep Mitchell in the rotation or will they go out and sign a vet to store in Triple-A now.[/quote']

 

Do you even understand what i'm trying to say? The old adage, you can never have too much pitching?

 

Why rush a MiLB guy up when you have a good rotation and enough depth?

[Meh]

Do you even understand what i'm trying to say? The old adage, you can never have too much pitching?

 

Why rush a MiLB guy up when you have a good rotation and enough depth?

 

Well Phelps and Warren are ready or at least should be ready to come up. Phelps for sure, Warren might need just a tad more time in the oven. I just don't want to waste resources going for another starter when we could use the money on a Carlos Pena type signing.

 

but you are right, never have enough pitching. I really wouldn't mind adding a guy on a minor league deal like we did last year with Garcia and Colon.

[User Name]

Well Phelps and Warren are ready or at least should be ready to come up. Phelps for sure, Warren might need just a tad more time in the oven. I just don't want to waste resources going for another starter when we could use the money on a Carlos Pena type signing.

 

but you are right, never have enough pitching. I really wouldn't mind adding a guy on a minor league deal like we did last year with Garcia and Colon.

 

But think about this for a second:

 

CC-Pineda-Nova-Kuroda-Oswalt.

 

Goddamn.

[a700hitter]

What about a 27 y/o who is only 6' 4" with easy gas and good breaking ball' date=' interested?[/quote']Yeah. I love having him and he's a great 8th inning guy and I think he would have been a great closer. Hopefully, he'll be a great starter.Wouldn't it be great to have him at the bottom of the rotation with Pineda?

[Keeper]

Good trade for both teams. After Sabathia, the Yankees kind of had a pathetic rotation. Nova is okay, but I don't see him as anything other than a 4 or 5. He's a 3 in a weak rotation. Pineda will have some growing pains in the AL East in a much worse pitching park than Safeco, but he's got nasty stuff and decent command. He'll develop into a pretty solid 2 sooner rather than later and has the potential to even be an ace down the road. Kuroda is also quite solid. His numbers will take a dip as well, but he'll keep the Yankees in games. Colon and Garcia really had no business having the seasons they had last year. The Yankees were extremely fortunate they worked out as well as they did. With Pineda and Kuroda, not much luck will be involved with their success.

 

Meanwhile, the Mariners desperately need offense. And while it's unclear whether or not Montero can stick at catcher, he should be provide a nice boost to an anemic lineup.

[ORS]

Yeah. I love having him and he's a great 8th inning guy and I think he would have been a great closer. Hopefully' date=' he'll be a great starter.Wouldn't it be great to have him at the bottom of the rotation with Pineda?[/quote']

It would. Only, I see no excitement form you about adding him to the rotation. He has the things you love about Pineda. IMO, that makes this an interesting and exciting time to be a Sox fan.

[example1]

It would. Only' date=' I see no excitement form you about adding him to the rotation. He has the things you love about Pineda. IMO, that makes this an interesting and exciting time to be a Sox fan.[/quote']

 

You would think they took Bard behind the barn and shot him by the way that people lament his loss to the pen while not talking about his potential as a SP. Chronic negativity is the tone in this offseason.

[ORS]

You would think they took Bard behind the barn and shot him by the way that people lament his loss to the pen while not talking about his potential as a SP. Chronic negativity is the tone in this offseason.

I know. Only, I disagree about the chronic negativity being limited to this offseason. It's pretty much like this all the time.

[example1]

I know. Only' date=' I disagree about the chronic negativity being limited to this offseason. It's pretty much like this all the time.[/quote']

 

The negativity and pessimism has always been here. It just hasn't always been here in rapid-fire, post-after-post frequency like it has this offseason. The offseason thread is the longest thread in the history of this board, and the majority of posts are about how ill-equiped the team is for 2012, how horrible they were in 2011, and the utter failure of the FO to put competitive team on the field, etc.,

[User Name]

The negativity and pessimism has always been here. It just hasn't always been here in rapid-fire' date=' post-after-post frequency like it has this offseason. The offseason thread is the longest thread in the history of this board, and the majority of posts are about how ill-equiped the team is for 2012, how horrible they were in 2011, and the utter failure of the FO to put competitive team on the field, etc.,[/quote']

 

It's like a black hole that sucks in anything that might be good about being a Red Sox fan. The funny thing is that if you try to express a different point of view you're ridiculed by the negatives, and if you fire back, they immediately pull out the victim card. Incredible.

[a700hitter]

It would. Only' date=' I see no excitement form you about adding him to the rotation. He has the things you love about Pineda. IMO, that makes this an interesting and exciting time to be a Sox fan.[/quote']Going into the off season I was advocating putting Bard in the rotation, so if you are going to criticize my opinions, please at least know what they are. I wanted Bard to go to the rotation if we kept Papelbon at closer and moved Aceves to the 8th inning role and picked up another late inning reliever. I don't lament Bard going to the rotation. I am one of the posters here that thought Bard could make the transition. Many didn't. However, whether he does fine as a starter, and I have hope that he will, we are still left with 2 issues. We need to replace his shut down performance in the 8th inning, and we still need another starter.

[a700hitter]

The negativity and pessimism has always been here. It just hasn't always been here in rapid-fire' date=' post-after-post frequency like it has this offseason. The offseason thread is the longest thread in the history of this board, and the majority of posts are about how ill-equiped the team is for 2012, how horrible they were in 2011, and the utter failure of the FO to put competitive team on the field, etc.,[/quote']Come on E1, the only thing wrong with the Sox going into 2012 is fan negativity? You need to get a grip and stop scapegoating posters who are posting informed opinions that are often proved out as right.

[a700hitter]

So let me get this right ORS. I make a post about Pineda's abilities, because our competitors the Yankees just got him, and you take that as an opportunity to start an argument with me about Bard who I have discussed becoming a starter before the season ended. You don't think that is being unnecessarily argumentative? It was also without any provocation. Even after your lame-ass attempt to get under my skin, I still played it off in good humor, but that was still not enough for you. You had to launch into a whine-ass festival with E1 about other posters. That's not negativity? You have problems dude.