Yankees trade for Pineda

[jacksonianmarch]

Might as well make the official thread

 

Overall deal:

 

Yankees get:

Jose Campos

Michael Pineda

 

Mariners get:

Jesus Montero

Hector Noesi

[Meh]

I love Pindea, in fact I think with Pineda we got a better rotation than the Sox, still loads behind the Rays, but I really liked Noesi and Montero. I liked both of those guys to have huge years.

[jacksonianmarch]

1. Sabathia

2. Pineda

3. Nova

4. Garcia

5. Burnett

 

This also gives the Yankees room to move Burnett while eating contract and then giving Hughes back the #5 spot. I do love the look of the rotation. And the addition of Campos is nice too. He looks to be another power pitcher with a humongous frame. I am coming around to the deal, but giving up on Montero before we can see what he can do for the long haul is tough to swallow

[Meh]

This also gives the Yankees room to move Burnett while eating contract and then giving Hughes back the #5 spot. I do love the look of the rotation. And the addition of Campos is nice too. He looks to be another power pitcher with a humongous frame. I am coming around to the deal' date=' but giving up on Montero before we can see what he can do for the long haul is tough to swallow[/quote']

 

Any big trade is going to cost a top prospect in your system. We both I think liked Montero a lot cause we saw him and followed him for so long. I watched his video feed of him signing his deal on July 2nd 2006 and checked the box scores for his numbers almost every night after the Yankees game. I'll miss Montero and Noesi but I'm excited about the rotation.

 

The three locks of CC, Pineda and Nova and Garcia, Burnett and Hughes coming in to battle it out.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pineda and Kuroda in one night while also adding a high end 19 yr old arm in Campos. Noesi was a candidate for the rotation, but I looked at him more as a Ramiro Mendoza type. Montero is the big loss here, but this rotation just got insanely good, possibly the best in the AL

[example1]

I'm not sad to see Montero leave the AL East. Not at all. Pineda is a good pitcher though. Signing Kuroda too kind of sticks in my side.

[Station 13]

but this rotation just got insanely good' date=' possibly the best in the AL[/quote']

 

lol

 

The Angels and Rays are better.

 

If the Sox grab Oswalt and he remains healthy, the Sox rotation still better.

[jacksonianmarch]

lol

 

The Angels and Rays are better.

 

If the Sox grab Oswalt and he remains healthy, the Sox rotation still better.

 

Yankees were a half run worse in 2011 than both of those teams. The Angels got Wilson, which helps them. The Rays added nobody but subtracted nobody. The Yankees got Pineda and Kuroda AND subtracted AJ Burnett. How is that not seen as a humongous upgrade?

[Meh]

If the Sox grab Oswalt and he remains healthy' date=' the Sox rotation still better.[/quote']

 

Sox get oswalt and their rotation is on par with the Yankees.

 

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Some scouts believe Campos was a steal for the Yankees in the deal. "He may be better than Pineda, Noesi or Montero."

 

told my friend after the deal went down Campos was a steal and that in two years we'll look back at this deal and he'll be the best piece in the deal.

[Station 13]

Yankees were a half run worse in 2011 than both of those teams. The Angels got Wilson' date=' which helps them. The Rays added nobody but subtracted nobody. The Yankees got Pineda and Kuroda AND subtracted AJ Burnett. How is that not seen as a humongous upgrade?[/quote']

 

You said might be the best. I call ********.

 

Not even close.

 

They're better. But you're stretching it.

[jacksonianmarch]

And what is missed here is Pineda's age. He was the starter in the AS game as a 22 yr old rookie. He is likely to get significantly better.

[Meh]

And what is missed here is Pineda's age. He was the starter in the AS game as a 22 yr old rookie. He is likely to get significantly better.

 

Yeah man I got to agree the Rays and Angels rotations are better, but 3rd best rotation with the best lineup and best bullpen in the AL is nothing to shoot down.

[SoxFanForsyth]

And what is missed here is Pineda's age. He was the starter in the AS game as a 22 yr old rookie. He is likely to get significantly better.

 

Lets be honest. Moving from the AL West to the AL East is a huge jump. Any progressions he makes from last year will be offset by the powerful and patient AL East hitters. I would say his numbers will almost certainly regress from last year, even if he does become a better pitcher.

 

He would have been about a 4.30-4.35 last year in NY. Hector Noesi posted a 4.47 ERA, and had a 99 ERA+, so I think 4.30-4.35 would be about right for the translation of Pineda.

[jacksonianmarch]

Haha, where's the chart!

[diony]

Jim Callis says he would have ranked Jose Campos as the Yankees 5th prospect on BA's top 10 list.

[jacksonianmarch]

Campos would have been a top 10 pick in the draft if he was eligible

[SoxFanForsyth]

Haha' date=' where's the chart![/quote']

 

Nice rebuttal. Good logic. A 103 ERA+ is right around a 4.30 ERA when you're playing your home games in NY.

[jacksonianmarch]

Here's your rebuttal Debbie. 1.10WHIP, 9K/9IP, and a 3BB/9IP doesn't equate to a 4.50ERA. That's just you choosing strawman stats for your strawman argument. What was his FIP?

[diony]

Yankees looking at Carlos Pena. He would hit 30 bombs in YS easily against RHP.

[jacksonianmarch]

His xFIP was 3.52, his FIP was 3.42. His WAR was 3.4. James projects his WAR next yr to 4.2. But you keep using a stat that you yourself have decried. Keep picking strawman stats deb

[SoxFanForsyth]

His BABIP was .258. His HR/9 was 0.95. You think that's going to go down when he goes to NY?

 

I'm sorry. Was Bill James making that prediction with a magic ball that said he'd be playing for the Yankees?

 

Be realistic man. FIP is based on ERA and fielder independence. It has nothing to do with park factors.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If you're so confident, put this in your sig until next October. I'll tell you right now.

 

Pineda will end 2013 with an ERA of 4.10+.

[italstallianion]

If you're so confident, put this in your sig until next October. I'll tell you right now.

 

Pineda will end 2013 with an ERA of 4.10+.

 

 

What about 2012?

[jacksonianmarch]

So his park is going to raise his ERA by a run? Seriously, try and be somewhat objective. You're just upset that your team, thus far, appears to be the #3 team in the division

[italstallianion]

So his park is going to raise his ERA by a run? Seriously' date=' try and be somewhat objective. You're just upset that your team, thus far, appears to be the #3 team in the division[/quote']

 

 

I wouldn't go THAT far. Obviously the Yankees are the favorite, but considering that the Sox have and look to do more in the offseason (than the Rays) and for all purposes were the 2nd best team in the division going in to the last game, it'd be hard to say that the Sox are going to be the 3rd best again this year.

 

I think they are that FA starter (Oswalt perhaps) from being close to the top. At least it'll be debatable again.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

So his park is going to raise his ERA by a run? Seriously' date=' try and be somewhat objective. You're just upset that your team, thus far, [b']appears to be the #3 team in the division[/b]

 

So did the Yankees last year and look what happened?

[SoxFanForsyth]

So his park is going to raise his ERA by a run? Seriously' date=' try and be somewhat objective. You're just upset that your team, thus far, appears to be the #3 team in the division[/quote']

 

What the hell are you even talking about???

 

3.74 ERA in 2011. 4.10 ERA in 2012. The AL East and a smaller park? Yes. That's worth about 0.36 points on his ERA.

 

God, you're an idiot.

[Emmz]

Here's your rebuttal Debbie. 1.10WHIP' date=' 9K/9IP, and a 3BB/9IP doesn't equate to a 4.50ERA. That's just you choosing strawman stats for your strawman argument. What was his FIP?[/quote']

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/249/1/6/jackie_chan___wtf_by_sailor_capricorn-d2y4lvi.jpg

 

Do you even know what a strawman is? Its when someone delinerately alters your argument to make it easier to defeat. You ignore someones position completely, where does that even apply?

[jacksonianmarch]

So based on your research, a 22 yr old in his second season is going to see his ERA be well over his FIP again. Seriously, you're delusional. And jealous.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So based on your research' date=' a 22 yr old in his second season is going to see his ERA be well over his FIP again. Seriously, you're delusional. And jealous.[/quote']

 

Haha. Ok bud. Once your brain blood returns from your boner to your head, you'll be able to look at the deal logically.