Who will be the best 2012 1B

[iortiz]

This poll was on ESPN, so I just put that debate in our board.

 

IYO who will be the best 2012 1B in the AL?

[Divinity]

I'd say probably Miguel Cabrera, but possibly Adrian Gonzalez if can he play like the did the first half of 2011 all season.

[iortiz]

IMO our A-GOD will be the best.

[a700hitter]

Puljols should tear up the league.

[iortiz]

Tough call, no doubt.

[a700hitter]

Tough call' date=' no doubt.[/quote']It is. If you had Cabrera, Pujols or AGon you'd be doing pretty great.

[Emmz]

Pujols has to be the favorite without a freakin' doubt.

[iortiz]

It is. If you had Cabrera' date=' Pujols or AGon you'd be doing pretty great.[/quote']

 

Will Tex be around their level or below?

 

IMO

 

1. Gonzalez

2. Pujols

3. Cabrera

4. Teixiera

[a700hitter]

Will Tex be around their level or below?

 

IMO

 

1. Gonzalez

2. Pujols

3. Cabrera

4. Teixiera

I see Tex as below their level, not a lot, but definitely below.

[iortiz]

Pujols has to be the favorite without a freakin' doubt.

 

Offensively or defensively? or as a package?

[iortiz]

I'd say probably Miguel Cabrera' date=' but possibly Adrian Gonzalez if can he play like the did the first half of 2011 all season.[/quote']

 

If he can play the whole season like he did in the first half of 2011, he will likely be the 2012 MVP.

[Emmz]

Offensively or defensively? or as a package?

 

Pretty sure he's the favorite for offense at any position, and definitely a favorite for 1B defensively, so both.

[example1]

Too close to call. If Prince Fielder comes to the AL then the All Star voting will be even sillier.

[iortiz]

Pretty sure he's the favorite for offense at any position' date=' and definitely a favorite for 1B defensively, so both.[/quote']

 

Above Bautista?, offensively.

[Emmz]

Easily. Easily. I'd take Pujols over Bautista eight days a week. Bautista produced Pujols' career averages pretty much last year. Pujols had an off year, and it was almost as productive as Bautista's previous season where he hit 50 homers. Pujols is the favorite at all times anywhere offensively. He is the best hitter since Ted Williams unless you include Bonds.

[iortiz]

Pujols over Bautista next year, offensively? Pfff I'm not sure as you are Emmz.

[iortiz]

IMO

 

BA Pujols

OBP Cabrera

OPS Bautista

RBI and 2B Gonzalez

HRs Bautista

SLG Bautista

WAR Pujols/Gonzalez

[Emmz]

It's all about OPS, and Pujols has had the best OPS in baseball since coming into the league. How is he not favored over some guy who's had 1.000 OPS once in his career. I think it's pretty ridiculous you can favor any hitter over Pujols.

[iortiz]

Bautista and Pujols will fight for that stat, maybe you are right. For me, it is not an easy call.

Even Cabrera and Gonzalez could fight...Going to be very interesting.

[Emmz]

They could fight, but how the hell does Pujols not get the favorite title here? I think that's very easy, yeah someone could put up as good or better OPS, but Pujols is the safest pick to win MVP every year. It's because he's been the most valuable player in baseball practically every year he's played. He's just the safest pick here, that's my point, not that no one else has a chance to compete for the award for best hitter.

 

Technically, some guy who you'd never expect could have a monster year, so I'm not saying he's a lock.

[iortiz]

Well, Pujols was 4th in 2010 and 16th in 2011 in that department (OPS). 2011 IMO was only a "bad" year for him. It's not like he will finish in that position again, not even close.

 

But, On the other hand, what makes me wonder about this call is whether 2010 and 2011 will mark the beginning of a new tendency in his career or not. I mean, I need to see Pujols next year in order to make a stronger case. I'm not sure whether Pujols is going to be that dominant in this department (OPS) in the close/mid/long future as he used to be in his prime time.

 

BTW, Is he still in his prime? mmmmmmmmmm IDK

Can he dominate that clear, this department (OPS) the next 10 Ys as he used to? I don't think so.

Can he dominate that clear/easy that department (OPS), let's say, next 3 Ys? He can dominate but not that clear/easy. IMO

 

IMO is a tough call Emm.

[Emmz]

It's getting to the point where anyone who has a couple of huge years is going to be considered as safe an MVP candidate who is one of the most valuable players in the league during an "off year".

 

Jose Bautista is as old as Pujols, and has only been even close to him offensively for the last two season's. Pujols was the better player in 2010, Bautista in 2011. Bautista has been the best hitter for the last two years, but Pujols is the most proven product in baseball.

[iortiz]

For me at this point is not safe or an easy call, beyond the name in order to say who is going to lead that stat or any other (offensive) next year. That is actually my point.

[Emmz]

"Pujols is the most proven product in baseball". Prove me wrong. He's the surest bet to win MVP every year. It's not the name at all, it's the numbers. Find me one player since Ted Williams not named Barry Bonds who's been as overpowering as Pujols from his rookie season through right now. You find me one guy, I will concede that Pujols is not the safest bet to have an MVP this year, or next year, or the year after until it's obvious he's on the decline. He will be the favorite to MVP, to be the best offensive player in baseball, etc.

 

There's usually no consensus best hitter of any era, there are only three guys who are that: Ruth, Williams, Pujols.

[iortiz]

Well, we'll see Emmz.

[Emmz]

Mmmmhmmm.

[Laser Show]

All I've taken from your posting is a huge crush on Pujols. You do not give other players their due, ever. Pujols is starting to decline, and is not on a different level as the rest of the world anymore.

[Emmz]

(lol you didn't even read anything I posted)

 

Sorry, Pujols is the best hitter on the planet until he's dethroned. This has not happened yet. He's had one off year and he's still better than your boyfriend A-Rod.

 

Just because I talk Pujols up in one thread, then in another, does not make my argument any less valid. If you can't make a rational argument, well, then I think it's best if you let the grown-ups talk. Children are meant to be seen, not heard!

 

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[Meh]

Above Bautista?' date=' offensively.[/quote']

 

What.... are you serious?

[Palodios]

Point A: All I've taken from your posting is a huge crush on Pujols. You do not give other players their due' date=' ever.[b'] Point B:[/b] Pujols is starting to decline, and is not on a different level as the rest of the world anymore.

 

Point A is not true about Emmz at all. Anyone who looks at the numbers will have a huge crush on Pujols. This is a guy who averages 8 WAR per year his ENTIRE career. In 10 of his 11 seasons he has come in top 5 of MVP voting including 2011.

 

As far as decline... you must be very short-sighted. From May 30th on, he hit .322 with a 1.011 OPS, and that includes the month before and after his injury. He's about as injury prone as a brick wall.