Lackey to the Padres?

[Sam Malone]

Looks like the Red Sox could be shopping him.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3492/john-lackey

[mvp 78]

They could move him this offseason as long as they eat 80% of his salary. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

[SoxSport]

I'm hearing a 3-way deal where the Cubs put up some of the Lackey money, and Hoyer goes to Chicago with Epstein.

The Sox get rid of Lackey eating maybe 1/3 of salary, the Cubs and the Padres split the rest. The Cubs don't have to give up any players.

Epstein is supposed to be brokering this deal. Could be his best one in two years.

[Spitball]

Why would Hoyer want to go from #1 to #2?

[jacksonianmarch]

Epstein is going to be the President, not the GM. Theo is trying to hire a GM.

[Reck]

Let this be real....let this be real.

[a700hitter]

Epstein is going to be the President' date=' not the GM. Theo is trying to hire a GM.[/quote']He is said to be after Hoyer for his GM.

[SoxSport]

Chicago newsguy is saying Epstein deal is done. announcement tommorrow.

 

https://twitter.com/#!/thekapman

 

The guess is McNutt or Carpenter.

[iortiz]

Epstein is going to be the President' date=' not the GM. Theo is trying to hire a GM.[/quote']

 

He could hire E1 :harhar:

[iortiz]

Chicago newsguy is saying Epstein deal is done. announcement tommorrow.

 

https://twitter.com/#!/thekapman

 

The guess is McNutt or Carpenter.

 

Seems like A700 and I have crystal ball huh!

[Gringo]

MAKE IT SO!

[mvp 78]

I'm hearing a 3-way deal where the Cubs put up some of the Lackey money, and Hoyer goes to Chicago with Epstein.

The Sox get rid of Lackey eating maybe 1/3 of salary, the Cubs and the Padres split the rest. The Cubs don't have to give up any players.

Epstein is supposed to be brokering this deal. Could be his best one in two years.

 

What are the Pads getting out of this? Lackey? Just too convoluted of a scenario.

[jung]

Maybe Sox would end up still paying the bulk of Lackey's contract with the Cubs getting the rest so that SD pays nothing or next to nothing. That might make more sense than a money split between Cubs and SD.

[a700hitter]

MAKE IT SO!

You and I just applied our experiences with private businesses and enterprises to the Sox predicament. It was obvious to us that big management changes would be made. It was fortuitous for the Sox and Theo that this Cubs job was available. Had it not been for that, the owners might have kept Theo for the year remaining on his contract, but Theo would have been expected to make massive organizational changes that would produce results in 2012. People without our experience don't grasp these realities. People who work for the government or whose jobs rely on government grants live in a world where there is no real accountability for failure and inefficiency. If they miss a deadline they get more time. If they can't deliver services, they get more resources and the taxpayer pays the bill. It is precisely for these reasons that this country and much of the world is in a debt crisis. It's not a crystal ball. It's just an understanding of realities in a responsible business environment.

[Palodios]

If they dump Lackey for 4 million, then this will be a very bad sign for this organization. Big knee-jerk reactionary moves will kill an organization.

[SoxSport]

The story this morning from various sources is the deal is just about done, and will be announced in a day or two. Doesn't include Jackson, which is no surprise--no need there for the Sox. Chances are it will include McNutt and somebody else from the minors, though you can't rule out a 3-way with Lackey.

 

The Chicago papers are saying Ricketts screwed this deal up by announcing Epstein first, before reaching a compensation agreement--as the White Sox did with the Marlins for Guillen. That was not the right protocol, and gave the Sox the advantage. The other mistake was not including any minor league people in the negotiations--Ricketts had only major league people who don't know the minor leaguers the Red Sox were asking for. The Sox are dealing with a poor organization with a poor farm system--which makes it tough. McNutt, for example, would be ranked 15-25, among Red Sox prospects, depending on who you talk to.

 

Meanwhile, all the Globe is interested in is beer. LOL

[Palodios]

The Sox are dealing with a poor organization with a poor farm system--which makes it tough. McNutt, for example, would be ranked 15-25, among Red Sox prospects, depending on who you talk to.

 

Meanwhile, all the Globe is interested in is beer. LOL

 

at the Globe. What a bunch of *******s.

 

BAA ranked Mcnutt 48th in all the minors. He'd definitely be top 5 in the Red Sox organization.

[iortiz]

You and I just applied our experiences with private businesses and enterprises to the Sox predicament. It was obvious to us that big management changes would be made. It was fortuitous for the Sox and Theo that this Cubs job was available. Had it not been for that' date=' the owners might have kept Theo for the year remaining on his contract, but Theo would have been expected to make massive organizational changes that would produce results in 2012. People without our experience don't grasp these realities. People who work for the government or whose jobs rely on government grants live in a world where there is no real accountability for failure and inefficiency. If they miss a deadline they get more time. If they can't deliver services, they get more resources and the taxpayer pays the bill. It is precisely for these reasons that this country and much of the world is in a debt crisis. It's not a crystal ball. [b']It's just an understanding of realities in a responsible business environment[/b].

 

Exactly!...

 

It goes beyond the country, business size or vertical industry. Private Business often execute this way.

[a700hitter]

If they dump Lackey for 4 million' date=' then this will be a very bad sign for this organization. Big knee-jerk reactionary moves will kill an organization.[/quote']The guy is a cancer in every aspect.

[mvp 78]

A cancer who can't pitch at all. Why would they keep him?

[Palodios]

The guy is a cancer in every aspect.

 

Says who? Says these unnamed sources that keep pulling s*** out of their asses?

 

I have yet to hear one single named source say anything bad about Lackey as a teammate. Let him rehab, deal with his personal and health issues, and give him a few starts in 2012. He has been a quality pitcher in the past, there is no reason to throw him away for 1.5 million a year.

[iMagic10]

This would be our first good move of the off-season.

[a700hitter]

Says who? Says these unnamed sources that keep pulling s*** out of their asses?

 

I have yet to hear one single named source say anything bad about Lackey as a teammate. Let him rehab, deal with his personal and health issues, and give him a few starts in 2012. He has been a quality pitcher in the past, there is no reason to throw him away for 1.5 million a year.

I don't need any sources other than observing his on and off the field behavior aside from his atrocious pitching performance. Numerous times he showed up fielders by acting like an ass when a play wasn't made. He was known for this in his Anaheim days. He gave the manager a hard time when he was taken out of games that he was in the process of blowing up, and of course there were his a-hole moments in the post game press conferences and clubhouse interviews-- the topper being the hissy fit he threw over the text message he received before the only game he won in more than a month. I don't need sources to tell me that the guy is a jack hole. It was on full public display all season long. Get rid of him.

[Palodios]

I don't need any sources other than observing his on and off the field behavior aside from his atrocious pitching performance. Numerous times he showed up fielders by acting like an ass when a play wasn't made. He was known for this in his Anaheim days. He gave the manager a hard time when he was taken out of games that he was in the process of blowing up' date=' and of course there were his a-hole moments in the post game press conferences and clubhouse interviews-- the topper being the hissy fit he threw over the text message he received before the only game he won in more than a month. I don't need sources to tell me that the guy is a jack hole. It was on full public display all season long. Get rid of him.[/quote']

 

He had a really s***** year. No one is arguing that. But he also had a good 2010, and led a rotation to the ALCS in 2009. This is not a guy who doesn't have the stuff. This was a person who probably had the worst year of his entire life on and off the field. I don't want to see him go to that park in San Diego and put up ace numbers.

[a700hitter]

Let him rehab' date=' deal with his personal and health issues, and give him a few starts in 2012. He has been a quality pitcher in the past, there is no reason to throw him away for 1.5 million a year.[/quote']What should he be rehabbing-- his injured ERA? What injury was he suffering from that caused this disastrous season? He has always had a terrible record at Fenway. It was insanity to sign him.

[a700hitter]

I don't want to see him go to that park in San Diego and put up ace numbers.

Don't worry about that. He has never been an ace.

[Palodios]

What should he be rehabbing-- his injured ERA? What injury was he suffering from that caused this disastrous season? He has always had a terrible record at Fenway. It was insanity to sign him.

 

His elbow? Or are you pretending that he didn't get several cortisone shots through the season?

[Palodios]

Don't worry about that. He has never been an ace.

 

Petco Park.

[a700hitter]

His elbow? Or are you pretending that he didn't get several cortisone shots through the season?

I'm not a doctor, so I'll leave it to the medical profession, but my understanding of elbow problems are that they don't respond well to rehabbing, because tendons and not muscles are involved. Rest might help, but if you are a pitcher that has recurring elbow issues, you are probably headed to TJ surgery. Get rid of him. He is a sinking ship. Granted that it would be hard to do worse than this season, but I don't see him as being a productive member of the rotation going forward.

[example1]

at the Globe. What a bunch of *******s.

 

BAA ranked Mcnutt 48th in all the minors. He'd definitely be top 5 in the Red Sox organization.

 

I saw somewhere that someone from one of the minor league ranking systems said he would probably be in the top 15 for the Sox. Not top 5 necessarily. That's probably a combination of his age and ability, rather than his current ability. He's almost MLB ready but the Sox have guys with much higher upside.