2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[jung]

Does playing 3RD base really wear on your body more than playing first?

 

A 1st baseman does not make anywhere near the number of throws that a guy at 3rd makes. Plus at 3rd you take a good many hard shots, dive a good deal and then have to get up quickly and throw all the way across the diamond. I know this does not sound like much as I am typing it but there is a substantial difference when you are diving left and right, fielding the hottest smashes in the infield and then having to make that throw across the diamond.

 

I would take diving at 1st and getting up to make my little toss to the pitcher coming over or trotting over to touch the bag myself every day compared to having to hustle to my feet and make that throw from 3rd.

[MANNYHOF24]

I'm guessing Youks 2011 health problems could have just as likely been caused by batting and running the bases as it was playing 3B.

[jung]

I'm guessing Youks 2011 health problems could have just as likely been caused by batting and running the bases as it was playing 3B.

 

Very true but that is not the point at least I don't think it is. Is there less wear playing 1st than 3rd? I would say that without question....yes. In fact as players age an effort is often made to try them where.....1st base, as a means of keeping their bats in the game longer. We saw this much more before the DH came into play. While we see it less because of the DH it does not change the fact that playing 1st is easier on the body.

[MANNYHOF24]

Very true but that is not the point at least I don't think it is. Is there less wear playing 1st than 3rd? I would say that without question....yes. In fact as players age an effort is often made to try them where.....1st base' date=' as a means of keeping their bats in the game longer. We saw this much more before the DH came into play. While we see it less because of the DH it does not change the fact that playing 1st is easier on the body.[/quote']

 

Alright, alright I concede! I still don't think that transition last year had much to do with Youk's problems. I could be wrong, but so could you!

[User Name]

What would make the Yanks out of the running for a top arm next year? Kuroda will come off the books and Pineda at 23 will still be very cheap. The Yankees will still have the ability to make a major pitching move.

 

The fact that they needed one starter for next year, and now they have Pineda to go along with Bunuelos, who will be a member of the 2013 Yankee rotation. They won't make a pitching move because they don't need to.

[User Name]

I understand it was "prune face" who wanted to bring Ortiz back for another year' date=' in spite of his stonewalling on the luxury tax. Bringing Papi back has pretty much hamstrung Ben from improving the starting pitching, and they are currently using kite string to put a staff together which was their weakest link last year. Ben has made two good deals for the back end of the BP after losing Pap, but the front end of the rotation looks unsteady at this point--vs NY and TB. They need another good starter--whether by FA or trade--to stay competitive on paper.[/quote']

 

So much conjecture in this post.

 

A) Even with their current staff, they are competitive "on paper".

 

B ) Where is it confirmed that keeping Ortiz was strictly a JH decision?

[MANNYHOF24]

The fact that they needed one starter for next year' date=' and now they have Pineda to go along with Bunuelos, who will be a member of the 2013 Yankee rotation. They won't make a pitching move because they don't need to.[/quote']

 

That will not stop them. Remember who you are talking about. If they need to get rid of Hughes, they will.

 

Either that they will trade Bunuelos as part of some package to bring in another high impact player and then sign hammels or cain to replace him... That has been a popular Yankee philosophy in the past.

[User Name]

The Yankees will have over 50 million coming off their books. Ok, we will likely re-sign Martin. (I think he gets 6.5 million this year so 8 million might not be too bad of a number) Same goes for Mo Rivera. The rest is kind of dead weight(felicaino, kurado, garcia, etc) Also I don't see us bringing back Logan so we could save even more money, unless he has a GREAT year. Cause a 3rd time arbi player for an alright lefty is kind of meh in my book. The Yankees will be poised to chase after Hamels or Cain if Hamels doesn't get to the finish line.

 

robertson and Gardner will both likely see big raises, Joba might too. Hughes as well. First time arbi guys are Dickerson and Cervelli. Dickerson will likely be gone by that time too.

 

CC-Pineda-Nova-Bunuelos-Hughes. And several arms in the minors, as well as Burnett still on the MLB roster.

 

Why would they invest on a massive contract for a starter when they have a bunch of pitchers waiting in the wings?

[a700hitter]

I'm guessing Youks 2011 health problems could have just as likely been caused by batting and running the bases as it was playing 3B.

I've played both positions, and there is a lot more movement at first base. You are involved in so many more plays at 1B., and even on the groundballs that go through the IF, the first baseman is running to cover the bag at the crack of the bat. You can't wait to see if the ball goes through before you head to first or it is too late. At 3B, you can stand and watch plays to the right side of the IF. First base has it's share of diving plays as does 3B. It just doesn't have the long throw. I really don't see the argument that 3B is more taxing. It can be more frightening, because it is the hot corner. You need quick reflexes at 3rd, but other than that, first base has much more movement. As far as I know, Youk's physical issues have not been related to his throwing arm.

[User Name]

That will not stop them. Remember who you are talking about. If they need to get rid of Hughes, they will.

 

Either that they will trade Bunuelos as part of some package to bring in another high impact player and then sign hammels or cain to replace him... That has been a popular Yankee philosophy in the past.

 

Then why haven't they traded him yet?

 

Bunuelos' upside is high enough for the Yankees to take a chance on him as a starter. And even if the Yankees were to sign one of Cain-Hamels-Greinke-Marcum, that would leave the coast clear for the Sox to pick up a pitcher anyway.

[MANNYHOF24]

CC-Pineda-Nova-Bunuelos-Hughes. And several arms in the minors, as well as Burnett still on the MLB roster.

 

Why would they invest on a massive contract for a starter when they have a bunch of pitchers waiting in the wings?

 

It's the Yankees! They don't have to be rational.... IT has happened again, and again.

[User Name]

It's the Yankees! They don't have to be rational.... IT has happened again' date=' and again.[/quote']

 

Didn't happen this year. Instead of going for the big-ticket names, they traded for Pineda and got Kuroda on a pay cut.

[Meh]

CC-Pineda-Nova-Bunuelos-Hughes. And several arms in the minors, as well as Burnett still on the MLB roster.

 

Why would they invest on a massive contract for a starter when they have a bunch of pitchers waiting in the wings?

 

cause CC, Hamels, Pineda, Nova and Banuelos is a lot better than "CC-Pineda-Nova-Bunuelos-Hughes"

[MANNYHOF24]

Then why haven't they traded him yet?

 

Bunuelos' upside is high enough for the Yankees to take a chance on him as a starter. And even if the Yankees were to sign one of Cain-Hamels-Greinke-Marcum, that would leave the coast clear for the Sox to pick up a pitcher anyway.

 

They haven't traded him yet because they haven't seen a FA option worth unloading their young talent for. That changes next offseason, in my opinion. Will it be the right decision? It usually works out for them.

[MANNYHOF24]

Didn't happen this year. Instead of going for the big-ticket names' date=' they traded for Pineda and got Kuroda on a pay cut.[/quote']

 

What big ticket names were out there worth big money?

 

1B doesn't count, they already have TEX.

[User Name]

What big ticket names were out there worth big money?

 

1B doesn't count, they already have TEX.

 

I'm talking specifically about pitching:

 

Wilson, Darvish, Buehrle.

[User Name]

cause CC' date=' Hamels, Pineda, Nova and Banuelos is a lot better than "CC-Pineda-Nova-Bunuelos-Hughes"[/quote']

 

So what?

 

They can choose not to spend the money on a big-ticket pitcher, because they have the pitching in their farm to do so and instead address other areas. They didn't do it this year, and there's no guarantee that Hamels will become a FA or sign with the Yanks. You can stop the mental masturbation now.

[a700hitter]

That will not stop them. Remember who you are talking about. If they need to get rid of Hughes, they will.

 

Either that they will trade Bunuelos as part of some package to bring in another high impact player and then sign hammels or cain to replace him... That has been a popular Yankee philosophy in the past.

Sparky Lyle won the CY Young for the Yankees as their closer in 1977. In that off season they signed Goose Gossage as a FA closer, even though they still had Lyle. That's how the Yankees operate.

 

They made a trade for an all time great SS --ARod, when they had an Alll Star at SS -Jeter. That's how the Yankees operate. They will sign one of the top pitchers next year. The 1 caveat to this is that they might stand pat if they win a championship in 2012.

[Meh]

So what?

 

They can choose not to spend the money on a big-ticket pitcher, because they have the pitching in their farm to do so and instead address other areas. They didn't do it this year, and there's no guarantee that Hamels will become a FA or sign with the Yanks. You can stop the mental masturbation now.

 

I'm not saying they'll get him but what I am saying is if he's out there they will go for him. Unless Pineda and Nova team up to have cy young type seasons and Baneulos destroys Triple-A and comes up kind of like Moore did at the end of last year.

[User Name]

I'm not saying they'll get him but what I am saying is if he's out there they will go for him. Unless Pineda and Nova team up to have cy young type seasons and Baneulos destroys Triple-A and comes up kind of like Moore did at the end of last year.

 

I'm surprised. By the amount of hype he gets, it sure sounded like Bunuelos was a sure bet to join the Yankees next year. Maybe he's not as good as you Yankee fans pimp him out to be?

[Meh]

I'm talking specifically about pitching:

 

Wilson, Darvish, Buehrle.

 

The Yankees didn't want any part of Wilson... I don't blame them and isn't MB 33? He's also not a top of the rotation type pitcher, he's more of a 2 on his best days

[Meh]

I'm surprised. By the amount of hype he gets' date=' it sure sounded like Bunuelos was a sure bet to join the Yankees next year. Maybe he's not as good as you Yankee fans pimp him out to be?[/quote']

 

Rated as 2nd best lefty in the minor behidn Moore. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120113&content_id=26339048&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_nyy

[MANNYHOF24]

I'm talking specifically about pitching:

 

Wilson, Darvish, Buehrle.

 

Those names are not worth signing for big money and parting with young talent.

[a700hitter]

Those names are not worth signing for big money and parting with young talent.

The Yankees fortified their pitching without going for one of those guys, probably because they too are waiting for next years crop of FA pitchers.

[User Name]

Rated as 2nd best lefty in the minor behidn Moore. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120113&content_id=26339048&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_nyy

 

So is he or isn't he good enough to start next year? Because that's his ETA.

[User Name]

The Yankees fortified their pitching without going for one of those guys' date=' probably because they too are waiting for next years crop of FA pitchers.[/quote']

 

Why would they if they have a bottomless pool of money?

[Meh]

So is he or isn't he good enough to start next year? Because that's his ETA.

 

He is... I said my 2013 rotation would be CC, Hamels, Pineda, Nova and Banuelos.

[User Name]

He is... I said my 2013 rotation would be CC' date=' Hamels, Pineda, Nova and Banuelos.[/quote']

 

So Burnett becomes a 17 million wasted roster spot if he has a good year in 2012?

[a700hitter]

Red Sox Avoid Arbitration With Jacoby Ellsbury

By Tim Dierkes [January 17 at 12:06pm CST]

 

The Red Sox avoided arbitration with center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury on a deal worth $8.05MM, tweets MLBTR's Ben-Nicholson-Smith.

 

[a700hitter]

What does the Ellsbury arbitration settlement do to the cap assumptions that we have been seeing?