2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[Muggah]

Shoppach was very good against basestealers last year.

 

This could also make Lavarnway available for trade bait, which would greatly increase who they could get in return.

 

 

That's what I was thinking. Shoppach, Lavarnway, Salty...somebody's most likely going in a trade.

[Elktonnick]

That's what I was thinking. Shoppach' date=' Lavarnway, Salty...somebody's most likely going in a trade.[/quote']

My thoughts exactly. Ben seems to stocking up on players at Filene's Bargain basement. One possible explanation is flexibility in any trade deals.

[iortiz]

Shoppach was very good against basestealers last year.

 

This could also make Lavarnway available for trade bait, which would greatly increase who they could get in return.

 

It could be true.

 

Otherwise why would they block Lav one more year? or Will Shoppach be our #3 catcher? and Esposito #4?

 

Hell, I would like that depth in our pitching

[SoxSport]

The Red Sox are short of RHd power. Does it make sense to trade Youks or Lavarnway, the only two RHd power guys the farm system has developed in recent years? Trade somebody who bats left-handed. Plenty of those.

[VA Sox Fan]

It could be true.

 

Otherwise why would they block Lav one more year? or Will Shoppach be our #3 catcher? and Esposito #4?

 

Hell, I would like that depth in our pitching

 

The Boston Dirt Dogs are saying with the signing of Shoppach that Tek is definitely gone.

[iortiz]

I wonder, who is more reliable as a backnup catcher, Tek or Shoppach?

[example1]

I wonder' date=' who is more reliable as a backnup catcher, Tek or Shoppach?[/quote']

 

Shoppach. Tek is old and isn't defensively inclined. It would be nice to have someone with an arm behind the plate for nice.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Boston Dirt Dogs are saying with the signing of Shoppach that Tek is definitely gone.

 

Thank God!! I have all the respect in the world for Tek, but he was a liability on both sides of the ball.

 

Also, I think Lavarnway is dished in a deal for either Gio Gonzalez, John Danks, or Andrew Bailey.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I wonder' date=' who is more reliable as a backnup catcher, Tek or Shoppach?[/quote']

 

Shoppach threw out like 41% of base stealers last year.

 

Varitek threw like 41% of his throws to center field last year.

[Meh]

btw' date=' I see the sox signing Hong Chih Kuo. He was just non-tendered by LA after an abysmal season marred by social anxiety disorder. If he gets his head on straight, he's a shut down reliever. Then again, Boston might be the last place you would want to go if you have an anxiety issue[/quote']

 

Nah I think he either goes back to the Dodgers, retires or goes to some low key city like Cleveland where the people there are just hoping for a 65 win season.

[jung]

If you guys are going to make the order of measure reliability, it would be Shoppach at least in my opinion.

[Muggah]

The Boston Dirt Dogs are saying with the signing of Shoppach that Tek is definitely gone.

 

Thank god. The useless asswipe should have been jettisoned three years ago, maybe four. Good riddance.

[MANNYHOF24]

Anyone else interested in taking a flyer on Joe Saunders? He was non-tendered by Arizona. He might not be flashy, but I have always liked him and we could probably get him for cheap. He might give us some nice depth for our thin rotation.

[Muggah]

Anyone else interested in taking a flyer on Joe Saunders? He was non-tendered by Arizona. He might not be flashy' date=' but I have always liked him and we could probably get him for cheap. He might give us some nice depth for our thin rotation.[/quote']

 

IMO, Joe Saunders is an upgrade over Miller and Wakefield to name two. He'll be at reasonable money and he's reliable at the end of the rotation. Granted he's pitched mostly out west, and last year with AZ, so we'd most likely see some drop off him coming to the AL East. But I'd do it.

 

Hell I'd do just about anything to keep douhebag Wakefield off the roster once and for all.

[Elktonnick]

Shoppach threw out like 41% of base stealers last year.

 

Varitek threw like 41% of his throws to center field last year.

 

LOL:D

[NativeBostonian]

Ewwww, Shoppach! Tek brings more to the table then this ass hat.

[redsoxrules]

Ewwww' date=' Shoppach! Tek brings more to the table then this ass hat.[/quote']

 

Not at this point in their career

[NativeBostonian]

Not at this point in their career

 

Tek knows how to manage the pitching staff. Shoppach doesn't. Also, look at the numbers. Tek has done better in every category.

[Elktonnick]

Tek knows how to manage the pitching staff. Shoppach doesn't. Also' date=' look at the numbers. Tek has done better in every category.[/quote']

 

Tek was apart of the problem last year. Some Captain! Time for him to play elsewhere IMHO

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Tek knows how to manage the pitching staff. Shoppach doesn't. Also' date=' look at the numbers. Tek has done better in every category.[/quote']

 

I wish people would stop with this. It is the single most overrated and useless excuse I have heard and means nowhere near as much as people make it out to. Knowing the pitching staff hasn't helped him not be a liability both offensively and defensively the last few seasons. They should of cut ties with Tek years ago.

 

Knowing s*** about the rotation that any professional catcher would learn quickly and being Josh Beckett's security blanket is not worth carrying a catcher who can hardly hit, is slow, can't throw and is prone to injuries.

[seabeachfred]

I hope that rather than commit a lot of money to a high risk/high reward guy like Darvish / Madson, the Sox take a couple low risk/high reward chances, like Joe Saunders. Also, if we could get Andy Sonnanstine on a minor league deal with incentives I'd be intrigued.

 

Why does everyone have to get so high strung about the Sox not dropping bank on a big name. Do I even need to name off the low risk/high reward guys that have paid off in the last decade? The biggest spenders in baseball last year took chances with Garcia and Colon and look how that paid off.

 

Keep Bard in the pen and let him close. When it comes down to it he's a power pitcher and he should use Spring Training to get control problems settled rather that stretching out his arm. If he can get those BB's down and the K's up, the Sox have their new Papelbon.

 

No, you don't have to name off the low risk/high reward guys that have paid off in the last decade----for other teams, but I would like you to name those types that have paid off for us? I remember Penny and Smoltz and the disasters they turned out to be. Low risk/high reward was a canard every time Epstein tried that route and I'm not sure it would work any better with that mediocrity who took his place.

[Elktonnick]

"Tek knows how to manage the pitching staff. "

 

Didn't help when they needed it in September. Besides Tek only cuaght one guy. Time for someone else to learn the ropes. Time for both the Red Sox and Varitek to move on.

[seabeachfred]

Shoppach was very good against basestealers last year.

 

This could also make Lavarnway available for trade bait, which would greatly increase who they could get in return.

 

If the Red Sox are dumb enough to trade Lavarnsway they sure as hell better get a real No. 1 or 2 pitcher that can pitch in Boston and in the AL East or it will go down as another disaster by our less than competent front office. Ryan is a budding star. The guy has a cannon for an arm, can throw runners out, something Varitek couldn't do anymore and better at it than Satalmacchia. He also has all the ability to become a solid right handed power hitter for us for a long time. It is just s***** that we are going to waste his development time by giving him the seasoning he doesn't need. This is the prime reason I thought that s igning Ortiz again was absolutely stupid.

[Palodios]

That's what I was thinking. Shoppach' date=' Lavarnway, Salty...somebody's most likely going in a trade.[/quote']

 

Salty for Gio? Salty for Cain?

[seabeachfred]

The Red Sox are short of RHd power. Does it make sense to trade Youks or Lavarnway' date=' the only two RHd power guys the farm system has developed in recent years? Trade somebody who bats left-handed. Plenty of those.[/quote']

 

That would seem so logical SoxSport. Unfortunately my friend the front office has been thinking with their asses this off season and they just might trade a RH hitter that we can ill afford to trade when it is the lefties that we need to thin ourselves out with. This is all on Theo since he saw to it that we were signing LH hitting outfielders by the carload.

[Emmz]

No' date=' you don't have to name off the low risk/high reward guys that have paid off in the last decade----for other teams, but I would like you to name those types that have paid off for us? I remember Penny and Smoltz and the disasters they turned out to be. Low risk/high reward was a canard every time Epstein tried that route and I'm not sure it would work any better with that mediocrity who took his place.[/quote']

 

Beltre? Bellhorn? Maybe they should just sign guys with the "Bel" prefix, those guys were great dumpster diving rewards.

 

How about Scutaro? There's been probably as much good as there was bad. They're called low risk for good reason. Most of them are just so inexpensive that it's a "why not" situation.

[seabeachfred]

Thank god. The useless asswipe should have been jettisoned three years ago' date=' maybe four. Good riddance.[/quote']

 

Muggah, a lot of us discussed Varitek on the other board for the past few years and we all agreed that if the Red Sox had not signed him after his pathetic 2008 season and again early last year that he would have been out of baseball. He can't hit after June, he can't throw at any time of the year, and for a supposed leader, was AWOL last September when some badly needed leadership was needed. I second it....GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!! And let's see if some other team signs him this time.

[iortiz]

If the Red Sox are dumb enough to trade Lavarnsway they sure as hell better get a real No. 1 or 2 pitcher that can pitch in Boston and in the AL East or it will go down as another disaster by our less than competent front office. Ryan is a budding star. The guy has a cannon for an arm' date=' can throw runners out, something Varitek couldn't do anymore and better at it than Satalmacchia. He also has all the ability to become a solid right handed power hitter for us for a long time. It is just s***** that we are going to waste his development time by giving him the seasoning he doesn't need. This is the prime reason I thought that s igning Ortiz again was absolutely stupid.[/quote']

 

Yup, If they trade this kid, they better get something solid, healthy and proved.

 

On the other hand I don't see trading Lav straight up for a #2-#3 SP, he would have to be part of some kind of packege which drives to the next question, who else would be in this package? more prospects? Youk? Ells? mmmmm......

[seabeachfred]

IMO, Joe Saunders is an upgrade over Miller and Wakefield to name two. He'll be at reasonable money and he's reliable at the end of the rotation. Granted he's pitched mostly out west, and last year with AZ, so we'd most likely see some drop off him coming to the AL East. But I'd do it.

 

Hell I'd do just about anything to keep douhebag Wakefield off the roster once and for all.

 

Saunders pitched very well in most of his outings at Fenway Park and I would certainly give him a shot. I think he might be a very pleasant surprise. Grab him and send Miller to work on a farm somewhere in Indiana.

[seabeachfred]

Beltre? Bellhorn? Maybe they should just sign guys with the "Bel" prefix, those guys were great dumpster diving rewards.

 

How about Scutaro? There's been probably as much good as there was bad. They're called low risk for good reason. Most of them are just so inexpensive that it's a "why not" situation.

 

We were talking about pitchers Emmz. Maybe I should have made that clearer. However, as inept as Cherington seems to be perhaps he could use a little hint here and there, and maybe looking for some Bel types would actually help him get his rear end off the ground.