2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[jung]

Floyd would make 7 million next year, 3 million less than the proposed 10 million Ells would supposedly make in arbitration.

 

I forgot we are probably already into the next Arb year per your numbers or would be. is that correct User? I just would not want to send off multiple solid prospects that are close to being able to help the Sox. If + means "a" guy, I could go there.

[User Name]

I forgot we are probably already into the next Arb year per your numbers or would be. is that correct User? I just would not want to send off multiple solid prospects that are close to being able to help the Sox. If + means "a" guy' date=' I could go there.[/quote']

 

I honestly have no idea of what it would take.

[Laser Show]

2011: .942 OPS.

 

Quentin's career numbers against LHP were curious there for a couple years (reverse splits) but that usually normalizes, as they started doing last year.

 

I'd be worried about such a small sample size. He only had 121 PAs against lefties.

[User Name]

I'd be worried about such a small sample size. He only had 121 PAs against lefties.

 

Normally i would be too, but Quentin's had such an uneven career that i honestly don't know what to think.

 

He does have a potent bat, and is healthy, so i think his ability to hit both righties and lefties should not be a question.

[jung]

I honestly have no idea of what it would take.

 

Me neither but I could see the White Sox being interested in something like that as opposed to some other situations where we would be on our knees begging somebody for a little extra pitching if they would just take our 30/30 MVP year CF off our hands.

[iortiz]

One problem is' date=' those teams know we [b']need[/b] pitching, so they have some leverage on us.

 

mmm... they were just an example but just as SF's case, Atlanta is another team who needs badly elite bats, why not try to trade Ells for Jurrjens or Hudson; they are plenty of pitching. They have 4 elite pitchers Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens, Tim Hudson, Brandon Beachy; plus, They have Mike Minor (4.14 ERA, 82 IP) who showed very interesting things and is only 23.

[Laser Show]

Normally i would be too, but Quentin's had such an uneven career that i honestly don't know what to think.

 

He does have a potent bat, and is healthy, so i think his ability to hit both righties and lefties should not be a question.

 

I'll be honest, he worries me. Quentin has never played more than 131 games in 5+ years. When he is healthy, he rakes. If he could stay on the field, I'd love to have him, as I think he could be a perennial 35 HR guy.

[User Name]

mmm... they were just an example but just as SF's case' date=' Atlanta is another team who needs badly elite bats, why not try to trade Ells for Jurrjens or Hudson; they are plenty of pitching. They have 4 elite pitchers Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens, Tim Hudson, Brandon Beachy; plus, Mike Minor (4.14 ERA, 82 IP) who showed very interesting things and is only 23.[/quote']

 

Hudson and Hanson are untouchable. Jurjjens is an oft-injured, fly ball pitcher who would get killed at Fenway. Beachy and Minor are unproven.

 

If it was up to me, i'd ask for Teheran +. He's also unproven, but that kid has an explosive arm.

[User Name]

I'll be honest' date=' he worries me. Quentin has never played more than 131 games in 5+ years. When he is healthy, he rakes. If he could stay on the field, I'd love to have him, as I think he could be a perennial 35 HR guy.[/quote']

 

RF/DH all the way.

[iortiz]

Hudson and Hanson are untouchable. Jurjjens is an oft-injured, fly ball pitcher who would get killed at Fenway. Beachy and Minor are unproven.

 

If it was up to me, i'd ask for Teheran +. He's also unproven, but that kid has an explosive arm.

 

Our Ells is kind of untouchable as well, isn't he?

 

untouchable for untouchable, how does it sound?, to me?, fair!

 

EDIT: In the end, they need bats and we need pitching...

[iortiz]

BTW we have to give up something but they too, that is for sure!

[User Name]

Our Ells is kind of untouchable as well, isn't he?

 

untouchable for untouchable, how does it sound?, to me?, fair!

 

EDIT: In the end, they need bats and we need pitching...

 

The problem in this case is value. If they value those pitchers high enough, they're not obligated to make a deal with us for Ellsbury. They can look elsewhere.

[iortiz]

The problem in this case is value. If they value those pitchers high enough' date=' they're not obligated to make a deal with us for Ellsbury. They can look elsewhere.[/quote']

 

Well, Hudson was a 3.7 2011 WAR player, Ells? 7.2. I think we have a case, but that is me.

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[User Name]

Well' date=' Hudson was a 3.7 2011 WAR player, Ells? 7.2. I think we have a case, but that is me.[/quote']

 

But i wouldn't trade Hudson straight up for Ellsbury, and i don't think the Sox would either. I think the "+" is the big hang up.

[iortiz]

But i wouldn't trade Hudson straight up for Ellsbury' date=' and i don't think the Sox would either. I think the "+" is the big hang up.[/quote']

 

If they take "the egos" away and accept that both need badly to cover each other's spots, They should trade 'em... But again, that is me.

[User Name]

If they take "the egos" away and accept that both need badly to cover each other's spots' date=' They should trade 'em... But again, that is me.[/quote']

 

I don't think it's as much about egos as receiving what they consider to be fair value. Also, Tim Hudson is a 10-5 player, so he would have to accept any trade the Braves propose.

[iortiz]

Imagine

 

Beckett

Lester

Hudson

Buch

Aceves

 

Crawford

Peddy

Gonzo

Beltran

Ortiz

Youk

Scutaro

Kalish

Salty

 

How does it Sound?

[Laser Show]

Imagine

 

Beckett

Lester

Hudson

Buch

Aceves

 

Crawford

Peddy

Gonzo

Beltran

Ortiz

Youk

Scutaro

Kalish

Salty

 

How does it Sound?

 

Rotation looks fine.

 

I'd bat Kalish 9th. More speed on the bases for the top of the lineup. I'd also let Ortiz walk.

[iortiz]

Rotation looks fine.

 

I'd bat Kalish 9th. More speed on the bases for the top of the lineup. I'd also let Ortiz walk.

 

well, maybe I would change Kalish too.

 

who would you bring as DH?

[User Name]

Imagine

 

Beckett

Lester

Hudson

Buch

Aceves

 

Crawford

Peddy

Gonzo

Beltran

Ortiz

Youk

Scutaro

Kalish

Salty

 

How does it Sound?

 

I would not trade Ellsbury straight up for a 35-year old pitcher, but that's just me.

[Laser Show]

well, maybe I would change Kalish too.

 

who would you bring as DH?

 

I'm growing more and more fond of User Name's idea of bringing in Quentin and playing him in RF/DH. Youk at 3B/DH. Lavarnway as backup C/DH. Between the 3 of them and the other every day players, DH is covered. We don't need a dedicated DH, it's a bad idea.

[iortiz]

I would not trade Ellsbury straight up for a 35-year old pitcher' date=' but that's just me.[/quote']

 

Well, you say that Hudson is old and Jurrjens too young.

 

What about Hanson Then? ... better?

[jung]

The combination of Floyd/Quentin is what makes that deal intriguing, at least to me.

[User Name]

Well you say that Hudson is old and Jurrjens too young.

 

What about Hanson Then? ... better?

 

My point is, none of them is worth Ellsbury straight up. But if i had to pick a Braves pitcher, it would be either Teheran or Hanson. Of course, that's personal preference.

[Laser Show]

The combination of Floyd/Quentin is what makes that deal intriguing' date=' at least to me.[/quote']

 

I'm just not sold on Floyd or Denks, what about a 3 team deal?

[iortiz]

I'm growing more and more fond of User Name's idea of bringing in Quentin and playing him in RF/DH. Youk at 3B/DH. Lavarnway as backup C/DH. Between the 3 of them and the other every day players' date=' DH is covered. We don't need a dedicated DH, it's a bad idea.[/quote']

 

I see.

 

I'm not sure if I trade Ells for those before trying to go after an elite SP first like Cain, Felix, Hanson, etc.

[jung]

I'm just not sold on Floyd or Denks, what about a 3 team deal?

 

Laser is this because you would prefer to try to do something at the front end of the rotation instead of the backend or do you not like somebody like Floyd even at the #4?

[Laser Show]

Laser is this because you would prefer to try to do something at the front end of the rotation instead of the backend or do you not like somebody like Floyd even at the #4?

 

I'd prefer to do something at the top of the rotation. I could see him working out as a #4, but I think we need someone who can reliably give up 200+ innings a year.

[iortiz]

BTW does anybody know D-K's status? Can he pitch in 2012?