7/15 @ Tampa Bay

[BornToRun]

Do it again DMac.

[a700hitter]

Do it again DMac.

Bring us back within 3 runs.

[BornToRun]

Epic AB here. Driving the pitch count up.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

McDonald has been gaining respect back as of late

[BigPapiEnFuego]

spoke too soon

[FredLynn]

Not really. But I recognize that with 2 starters out, you're going to get into some unpleasant depth options. Miller is far from the worst replacement starter pitching right now.

 

and one thing I do know. One bad start shouldn't influence your decision about a player any more than one good start. I don't think Miller has really been that far off what you could have expected him to be, taking him as a whole. Kid's 3-2 and has pitched well at times, his baseline is 5 IP 3 ER and that's acceptable for a depth starter.

 

Anyone who honestly thinks that you're going to get ace caliber performances out of the 7th best starter on the depth chart is deluding themselves. We just saw the ugly side of it today, but as a whole, considering where he is on the depth chart, what we've seen from Miller is par for the course or better.

 

At some point you have to admit that its not working. Its not just one start. Its at least two. And the others were against weak NL teams that can't hit. The wildness problem is still there. There are other #7 SP available to try out. Doubront at least has potential.

[d-money]

All that and nothing.

[a700hitter]

McDonald has been gaining respect back as of late

He blows. He's a minor league hack.

[BornToRun]

spoke too soon

 

Hey man, give him credit. That was an excellent at bat. Didn't end the way we would've wanted but he worked him.

[a700hitter]

Speaking of minor league hacks. Here's another one.

[BornToRun]

Speaking of minor league hacks. Here's another one.

 

Salty?

[a700hitter]

NWIH on Millwood. He's pure fool's gold, worse than Miller was in the minors. At least Miller still had his projectable stuff. Millwood doesn't even have that.

 

Doubront is a possibility, but I don't think he's that much better a bet to be consistent than Miller. You're going to get bad starts and short starts from young pitchers.

Millwood actually pitched in the majors and knows how to get people out.

[Dojji]

At some point you have to admit that its not working. Its not just one start. Its at least two. And the others were against weak NL teams that can't hit. The wildness problem is still there. There are other #7 SP available to try out. Doubront at least has potential.

 

But it is working. Miller is providing about what you should expect out of a #7 starter. Maybe a little more, since he's only on the hook for his second loss. You don't get pretty numbers out of a replacement guy.

[a700hitter]

Salty?

I'm not going to mistake him for Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk or Thurman Munson.

[Dojji]

Millwood actually pitched in the majors and knows how to get people out.

 

Correction: Millwood knows how to get people out with a mid 90's fastball. And even that's debatable. And he doesn't have one of those anymore anyway. Fool's gold.

[BornToRun]

I'm not going to mistake him for Johnny Bench' date=' Carlton Fisk or Thurman Munson.[/quote']

 

How can you call him a hack? He's been fine this year. And I wouldn't want him being compared to Munson because I don't think we can afford to have our catcher die in a fiery plane wreck.

[a700hitter]

Correction: Millwood knows how to get people out with a mid 90's fastball. And even that's debatable. And he doesn't have one of those anymore anyway. Fool's gold.

He was still getting people out when he was with the Rangers and he was barely cracking 90.

[FredLynn]

Millwood actually pitched in the majors and knows how to get people out.

 

I don't understand what the idea of signing him was if not to see what he could do for us, first in the minors (decent) then up with the Sox. I mean, why even bother giving him a contract. I don't think he will be the new Cliff Lee, but I KNOW I don't want to see Miller on the mound EVER AGAIN for the team.

[a700hitter]

How can you call him a hack? He's been fine this year. And I wouldn't want him being compared to Munson because I don't think we can afford to have our catcher die in a fiery plane wreck.

He stinks. Larvarnway can't get here fast enough for me.

[Dojji]

He was still getting people out when he was with the Rangers and he was barely cracking 90.

 

Millwood was 48-46 with a 4.5 ERA with the Rangers. And consider that that's ballasted by exactly one really competent year in which he was in the mid 3's with 13 wins.

 

And this year he's got a 4.5 ERA in Pawtucket.

 

Fool's gold. Stay away from Millwood. I don't want him pitching an inning in Boston.

[FredLynn]

He stinks. Larvarnway can't get here fast enough for me.

 

Lavarnay can hit, but he cannot field. Thats a problem. Not sure he will ever be a ML catcher.

[BornToRun]

He stinks. Larvarnway can't get here fast enough for me.

 

I doubt you're gonna get many people to agree with you on that one. From what I hear Ryan projects as a DH down the road and I will take what Salty has given us this year in a heartbeat, .250 average, .320 OBP, and some pop. He's got decent numbers for a catcher.

[Dojji]

Agreed. If you're looking for a solution at catcher, the situation in the minors is highly ambiguous. The guys who can field won't be hitting much, and the guys who can hit are all projected as DH's.

[a700hitter]

Correction: Millwood knows how to get people out with a mid 90's fastball. And even that's debatable. And he doesn't have one of those anymore anyway. Fool's gold.

Freddie Garcia has done very well for the Yankees with the exception of tonight and he sits at 84-86. He knows how to pitch.

[FredLynn]

Millwood was 48-46 with a 4.5 ERA with the Rangers. And consider that that's ballasted by exactly one really competent year in which he was in the mid 3's with 13 wins.

 

And this year he's got a 4.5 ERA in Pawtucket.

 

Fool's gold. Stay away from Millwood. I don't want him pitching an inning in Boston.

 

I would settle for a 4.50 ERA for our #7 SP

[FredLynn]

Freddie Garcia has done very well for the Yankees with the exception of tonight and he sits at 84-86. He knows how to pitch.

 

Tonite he has the bases loaded with no one out and down 3-1 for the Jays right now

[Dojji]

He got that number IN PAWTUCKET. You know, the league Miller was flat out dominating?

 

For God's sake, do you think a guy who's putching to a mid 4's ERA for the FREAKING PAWSOX is going to put up the same numbers in Boston?

 

Please be sane .

 

Tony Pena, Jr. is a better option than Kevin Millwood.

[a700hitter]

Lavarnay can hit' date=' but he cannot field. Thats a problem. Not sure he will ever be a ML catcher.[/quote']That's too bad, because Salty is just an average catcher on his best day.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

He got that number IN PAWTUCKET. For God's sake, do you think a guy who's putching to a mid 4's ERA for the FREAKING PAWSOX is going to put up the same numbers in Boston?

 

Please be sane .

 

Take into consideration who you're bothering to reply to. Really...

[a700hitter]

Tonite he has the bases loaded with no one out and down 3-1 for the Jays right now

I know. I have been watching the game.