Saltalamacchia starting to tear it up

[a700hitter]

No I'm not' date=' .750 OPS is decent for a catcher, I said that's within his reach earlier in this thread, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS NOW, I didn't say he could not improve. I said .850 OPS, .900 OPS, those three months where everyone was praising him for how good of an offensive catcher he was, is not realistic to me. THAT IS ALL I SAID.[/quote']That's what I thought you said.

 

Here's what i am saying to be clear. Today's catchers as a group stink. Salty is an adequate catcher, but he still stinks.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm not' date=' you're picking spots and taking them out of context to feed your argument.[/quote']

 

I put your entire quotes in there. I'm not just taking one sentence out. You literally said he's having a fluke season. Then like 2 posts later you said "I'm only suggesting that it could be a fluke." And even earlier, you said "Increase in SLG with all other stats similar indicate a fluke season, which suggests I'm right and you're wrong".

 

Those are pretty definitive statements.

[Palodios]

I didn't say he could not improve.

 

You said that improving his slug from .400 to .450 was the classic sign of a fluke. His slug in AAA was around .450. How is that leaving room for improvement?

[Emmz]

I put your entire quotes in there. I'm not just taking one sentence out. You literally said he's having a fluke season. Then like 2 posts later you said "I'm only suggesting that it could be a fluke." And even earlier, you said "Increase in SLG with all other stats similar indicate a fluke season, which suggests I'm right and you're wrong".

 

Those are pretty definitive statements.

 

You don't even read into the context, you just see that little bit and you quote it. You don't read into anything I'm saying at all.

[Dojji]

Whoa. I'm having an out of body experience here. Usually, I'm over there where Emmz is, having my words thrown into my face and continuously digging myself deeper and deeper trying to win the point.

[a700hitter]

I put your entire quotes in there. I'm not just taking one sentence out. You literally said he's having a fluke season. Then like 2 posts later you said "I'm only suggesting that it could be a fluke." And even earlier, you said "Increase in SLG with all other stats similar indicate a fluke season, which suggests I'm right and you're wrong".

 

Those are pretty definitive statements.

She's clarifying what she is saying. I think the poster knows what he/she meant with a post better than the reader.

[a700hitter]

Let's be clear, this guy is not Johnny Bench. He's not even jorge Posada. People here that think he is"tearing it up" need to wait until the end of the year to get some perspective on this guy. Hopefully, his defensive play continues to improve, because I don't view him as a big part of the offensive club.

[Dojji]

That's what I thought you said.

 

Here's what i am saying to be clear. Today's catchers as a group stink. Salty is an adequate catcher, but he still stinks.

 

Other than first base, third base, and the corner outfield spots, the range Salty's performing at right now, between .750 and .800 OPS, is good enough to be a non-problem in any other position. Heck, check Tek's stats, other than 3 really good years in the heart of his prime, that's about where he performed at.

 

The fact that he can probably improve on it with reps and experience is only icing on the cake.

[a700hitter]

Other than first base, third base, and the corner outfield spots, the range Salty's performing at right now, between .750 and .800 OPS, is good enough to be a non-problem in any other position. Heck, check Tek's stats, other than 3 really good years in the heart of his prime, that's about where he performed at.

 

The fact that he can probably improve on it with reps and experience is only icing on the cake.

In August his OPS is .671. Let's see where he ends up.

[Palodios]

In August his OPS is .671. Let's see where he ends up.

 

This month, the Red Sox have faced David Price, Niemann, Shields, Sabathia, Hernandez, Masterson, and CJ Wilson, all with injuries to several players. The offense is going to take a bit of a hit, it happens.

[a700hitter]

This month' date=' the Red Sox have faced David Price, Niemann, Shields, Sabathia, Hernandez, Masterson, and CJ Wilson, all with injuries to several players. The offense is going to take a bit of a hit, it happens.[/quote']Over the course of a season, every one faces these guys. Let's see where he ends up.

[Emmz]

You said that improving his slug from .400 to .450 was the classic sign of a fluke. His slug in AAA was around .450. How is that leaving room for improvement?

 

Minor league achievements are unsubstantial to this argument, AA, AAA, whatever. 50 point increase in SLG but nothing else really, I was actually trying to find the splits where his SLG% was over .500-.550 for like 3 months.

 

:dunno:

 

I said that .750 OPS is realistic for him earlier in this thread, which is what he's done this season as a whole. This is all I ever said: He isn't going to put up the numbers he did for his hot streak.

[Emmz]

I'll eat crow all day long if it means a player I thought was done turned it around. Salty' date=' tell Beckett and Papelbon I said hello:lol:[/quote']

 

Hmmm, we're mighty fickle, aren't we?

 

Jump on the Salty ship when he's tearing it up LOL.

 

Normally I agree with this completely. It is usually all about luck and circumstance' date=' and most competent catchers would have very similar ERAs if catching the same pitcher. What I'm suggesting is simple: [b']Salty is not a competent catcher[/b].

 

Another gem from Palo.

[Dojji]

In August his OPS is .671. Let's see where he ends up.

 

Good hitters have bad months. Even great hitters have bad months. I agree, let's see where he ends up.

 

if Salty falters, we can try Lavarnway. Depth is good.

[Dojji]

Hmmm, we're mighty fickle, aren't we?

 

Jump on the Salty ship when he's tearing it up LOL.

 

 

 

Another gem from Palo.

 

We're fans. Rationality and consistency are optional extras.

[Palodios]

Hmmm, we're mighty fickle, aren't we?

 

Jump on the Salty ship when he's tearing it up LOL.

 

I have no problem admitting it when I'm wrong. Its a shame you can't do the same:lol:

[Emmz]

I have no problem admitting it when I'm wrong. Its a shame you can't do the same:lol:

 

I think it's more of a shame on your ability to read clear text properly.

[a700hitter]

We're fans. Rationality and consistency are optional extras.

This is very true. We don't have to like or dislike a player based solely on his stats. It is permitted and it doesn't have to be justified.

[Emmz]

also, the very fact that you jumped on the wagon when it was gaining momentum sort of kills your argument, and adds to mine that everyone needs to take a step back, chill, and realize he doesn't have .900 OPS potential.

[Emmz]

We're fans. Rationality and consistency are optional extras.

 

At least you admit that your argument is based on his hot streak now.

[Palodios]

I think it's more of a shame on your ability to read clear text properly.

 

How many times did I quote you today?

[Emmz]

How many times did I quote you today?

 

You quoted me without even reading but a small portion, you didn't even read my earlier posts.

 

I should be president of the teaching Palodios and Soxfanforsyth to read club.

[Dojji]

At least you admit that your argument is based on his hot streak now.

 

Why? It doesn't have to be. His season numbers are more than tolerable for a catcher. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing trying to put words in everyone's mouths, but it's getting really offensive.

[Palodios]

Can I be vice president?

[Emmz]

Why? It doesn't have to be. His season numbers are more than tolerable for a catcher. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing trying to put words in everyone's mouths' date=' but it's getting really offensive.[/quote']

 

Yup, bloated by 3 months of hot streaking. LOL

 

Oh yeah, as far as putting words into people's mouths, I guess you don't like it eh? Now you must know how I feel.

[Emmz]

Can I be vice president?

 

You are the subject.

[Emmz]

.... and Vice President.

[Dojji]

Yup, bloated by 3 months of hot streaking. LOL

 

Sure, why not? A lot of players are streaky like that. Coco Crisp had a run like that every year. Your point is...?

[Emmz]

Because inconsistency isn't really something that should be used when your argument that Salty is good is based almost entirely on his trends.

[Palodios]

also' date=' the very fact that you jumped on the wagon when it was gaining momentum sort of kills your argument, and adds to mine that everyone needs to take a step back, chill, and realize he doesn't have .900 OPS potential.[/quote']

 

I've been watching him for three months for dozens of games, play in a crucial position for my team. I would rather admit to being wrong, and move forward, than being stubborn and dislike him based on how much he sucked in April. And in all fairness, he was dirt in April.