The next Roy Halladay?

[MJantomaso]

Charlie Morton from the Pirates is almost a clone of Roy Halladay. Keep your eye on this guy..he is unbelievable. Go to MLB.com and look up his highlights. Tell me what you guys think. :thumbsup:

[italstallianion]

For a while he almost challenged Roy Halladay's record of futility last year. He ended with a 7.57 ERA over 79.2 innings, but he was hovering around 10+ for most of the season. I haven't seen him pitch, but I've followed his numbers for a while. It's glad to see him pick up his second career shutout last night.

[MJantomaso]

For a while he almost challenged Roy Halladay's record of futility last year. He ended with a 7.57 ERA over 79.2 innings' date=' but he was hovering around 10+ for most of the season. I haven't seen him pitch, but I've followed his numbers for a while. It's glad to see him pick up his second career shutout last night.[/quote']

 

The guy has killer stuff. I know it is still early in the season but with some years under this guys belt he could be the next big pitcher in this sport. I am glad the Pirates finally have a starter that can keep them in the game lol.

[italstallianion]

Last year he might have been the worst starter in all of baseball. In all fairness, Kevin Correia looked really good at the start of the year...

[Youk Of The Nation]

The guy has killer stuff. I know it is still early in the season but with some years under this guys belt he could be the next big pitcher in this sport. I am glad the Pirates finally have a starter that can keep them in the game lol.

 

Don't worry, if he cements himself in the position of one of the best pitchers in the NL, he'll get traded for a bunch of scrubs soon enough.

[italstallianion]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=mlb&content_id=14932349&query=game_pk%3D287543

 

 

Here is a video from his shutout against the Reds last night. He does have a similar delivery to Roy Halladay, and his stuff has movement, but even here he left a lot of pitches up in the zone that would have been driven for miles by a good lineup. Also note that both of his complete games this season have come against the Reds.

[MJantomaso]

This guy is almost a mirror image of Halladay. He seems to have found his stuff and is just raping mostly every team he faces. I think he has one of the wickedest sinkers in the game. I'm hoping he keeps it up!

[MJantomaso]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c_id=mlb&content_id=14932349&query=game_pk%3D287543

 

 

Here is a video from his shutout against the Reds last night. He does have a similar delivery to Roy Halladay, and his stuff has movement, but even here he left a lot of pitches up in the zone that would have been driven for miles by a good lineup. Also note that both of his complete games this season have come against the Reds.

 

Cincy has a well respected lineup so they are no push over. He has the potential to be a big name in this league. Hopefully he doesnt become a bust like every other Pirates young star. (Zack Duke, Paul Maholm)

[snydersminipretzels]

He won't survive with a 4.3 BB/9, and a 4.7 K/9.

[Cocos Disciples]

He's doing pretty well this year, but that's in large part to a severely below average BABIP. His K/BB rate is alarming. I don't see how he is a "clone" of the best pitcher in baseball.

[MJantomaso]

He won't survive with a 4.3 BB/9' date=' and a 4.7 K/9.[/quote']

 

Typical sinker ball pitcher numbers. Sinker ballers pitch to get ground balls, not K's which compensates his tendencies to walk batters.

[snydersminipretzels]

Typical sinker ball pitcher numbers. Sinker ballers pitch to get ground balls' date=' not K's which compensates his tendencies to walk batters.[/quote']

 

Go find me three that have a sub 3.00 ERA with an even K/BB ratio.

[MJantomaso]

He's doing pretty well this year' date=' but that's in large part to a severely below average BABIP. His K/BB rate is alarming. I don't see how he is a "clone" of the best pitcher in baseball.[/quote']

 

By clone I mean his delivery and ball movement. By all means he hasnt proven anything career wise. I'm just saying keep an eye on him.

[italstallianion]

He has a similar delivery, but I don't think he has as many different pitches, nor does he have the control or consistency, or even stamina of Roy Halladay. The video I showed shows how many pitches were left right down the middle and a bit up.

 

Last year he would have had my vote for the worst pitcher in baseball. He looks a bit better, but other than his delivery, being right handed, and pitching for a National League team in PA, I don't see much else in common.

[Palodios]

He pitches for Pittsburgh. That sets off red flags for me.

[MJantomaso]

Go find me three that have a sub 3.00 ERA with an even K/BB ratio.

 

Look at Roy Halladay's stats when he first arrived in the league chief. I think he turned out alright...

[italstallianion]

That said, who knows, if he continues to do well this year then maybe he can be a good pitcher. Probably never Roy Halladay good, but he can have a shot at being good. He just needs to go out there and prove it. I just think that the comparison to Halladay is because of his delivery and nothing else.

[MJantomaso]

That said' date=' who knows, if he continues to do well this year then maybe he can be a good pitcher. Probably never Roy Halladay good, but he can have a shot at being good. He just needs to go out there and prove it. I just think that the comparison to Halladay is because of his delivery and nothing else.[/quote']

 

Well of course, there will only be one Roy Halladay. I compared him to Halladay bc of their same exact pitching styles and the delivery is mirror. This guy has proven nothing in the league yet but I'm cheering for his success. If any of you have played the game you can tell this guy's stuff is filthy.

[Dipre]

Morton? Right around average stuff, K/9 under 5, awful K/BB rate, unsustainable .257 BABIP, and an xFIP nearing 4, while holding righthander hitters to a .402 OPS while lefthanders are torching him for a 1.025 OPS. Just like with Justin Masterson, a correction is in order. Nothing to see here, folks.

 

If you want to be excited about a pitcher that could reach Roy Halladay levels (in terms of performance, not story) Jameson Taillon is your man.

[MJantomaso]

Morton? Right around average stuff, K/9 under 5, awful K/BB rate, unsustainable .257 BABIP, and an xFIP nearing 4, while holding righthander hitters to a .402 OPS while lefthanders are torching him for a 1.025 OPS. Just like with Justin Masterson, a correction is in order. Nothing to see here, folks.

 

If you want to be excited about a pitcher that could reach Roy Halladay levels (in terms of performance, not story) Jameson Taillon is your man.

 

2 CG and a sub 3 ERA..I wish I had average stuff.

[italstallianion]

Morton? Right around average stuff, K/9 under 5, awful K/BB rate, unsustainable .257 BABIP, and an xFIP nearing 4, while holding righthander hitters to a .402 OPS while lefthanders are torching him for a 1.025 OPS. Just like with Justin Masterson, a correction is in order. Nothing to see here, folks.

 

If you want to be excited about a pitcher that could reach Roy Halladay levels (in terms of performance, not story) Jameson Taillon is your man.

 

 

Wasn't he just drafted? I think he was the 2nd pick behind Bryce Harper. Interestingly enough, Taillon has been compared to Josh Beckett in terms of hype, who was also a #2 overall pick.

[MJantomaso]

Taillon is a fireballer. In no way should be compared to Halladay. Other than body size?

[Dipre]

2 CG and a sub 3 ERA..I wish I had average stuff.

 

Sorry, but the underlying statistics don't lie, and that's why i'm using Masterson as en example, because he's having a similarly flukey performance and they will, most likely, both correct themselves. You can't maintain a sub-4 ERA with a scrap-heap K rate and massive platoon issues.

 

Hey, if you want to put on some blindfolds and thing that one and a half months of good (well, lucky) pitching is going to erase all of his prior (and future) mediocrity be my guest.

[Palodios]

Oh wow. I looked into him, and he has severe Justin-Masterson-Syndrome.

 

Take a look at his splits--

 

Left-handed batters are hitting him at a .385 average with a 2.54 WHIP. No way is that elite quality pitching. What do you think would happen if he came to Boston? ...bad example.

 

Edit: wayyyy late, Dipre beat me to it haha

[boston22407]

i hope so good friend of mine is a big pitt fan ,like to see them starting winning some games or get to .500

[MJantomaso]

Sorry, but the underlying statistics don't lie, and that's why i'm using Masterson as en example, because he's having a similarly flukey performance and they will, most likely, both correct themselves. You can't maintain a sub-4 ERA with a scrap-heap K rate and massive platoon issues.

 

Hey, if you want to put on some blindfolds and thing that one and a half months of good (well, lucky) pitching is going to erase all of his prior (and future) mediocrity be my guest.

 

If you can honestly watch Morton pitch and say that his stuff is average you have no idea how to evaluate talent. I have watched multiple games of his and he has tons of potential to be a dominant pitcher in this league. He is a 3rd year player...of course his career stats arnt stellar. Go look at Halladay's first 3 years. He has 2 CG a sub 3 ERA and is top 30 in the league in WHIP and 6 out his 8 outings are to playoff teams. How can you honestly say he doesnt have potential?

[Palodios]

If you can honestly watch Morton pitch and say that his stuff is average you have no idea how to evaluate talent. I have watched multiple games of his and he has tons of potential to be a dominant pitcher in this league. He is a 3rd year player...of course his career stats arnt stellar. Go look at Halladay's first 3 years. He has 2 CG a sub 3 ERA and is top 30 in the league in WHIP and 6 out his 8 outings are to playoff teams. How can you honestly say he doesnt have potential?

 

It isn't a matter of him being average. The fact is, his stuff is unbalanced, and he's more like a righty-specialist in the bullpen. Left handed hitters have Pujols numbers against him.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Yeah, and Dice-K is the next Tim Lincecum

[boston22407]

Yeah' date=' and Dice-K is the next Tim Lincecum [/quote']

 

[Dipre]

If you can honestly watch Morton pitch and say that his stuff is average you have no idea how to evaluate talent. I have watched multiple games of his and he has tons of potential to be a dominant pitcher in this league. He is a 3rd year player...of course his career stats arnt stellar. Go look at Halladay's first 3 years. He has 2 CG a sub 3 ERA and is top 30 in the league in WHIP and 6 out his 8 outings are to playoff teams. How can you honestly say he doesnt have potential?

 

The problem is that i'm not a talent evaluator (nor do i claim to be) and neither are you. What we can go by are statistics and secondhand scouting reports, since watching a couple games doesn't provide with an accurate view of his actual skill level.

 

The fact is, he once had great stuff (a fastball averaging in the mid-90's) but it now averages right around 92 MPH (which is right around league average by the way) he has decent . but not great secondary stuff, confidence problems per the scouting reports, platoon issues and flukey peripherals.

 

Don't know how you can get Roy Hallady from there, but hey, to each his own.