The next Roy Halladay?

[italstallianion]

Yeah' date=' and Dice-K is the next Tim Lincecum [/quote']

 

 

lol we should get Dice-K some weed and if he turns into Lincecum, we'll have a great argument to legalise it!!!

[italstallianion]

The problem is that i'm not a talent evaluator (nor do i claim to be) and neither are you. What we can go by are statistics and secondhand scouting reports, since watching a couple games doesn't provide with an accurate view of his actual skill level.

 

The fact is, he once had great stuff (a fastball averaging in the mid-90's) but it now averages right around 92 MPH (which is right around league average by the way) he has decent . but not great secondary stuff, confidence problems per the scouting reports, platoon issues and flukey peripherals.

 

Don't know how you can get Roy Hallady from there, but hey, to each his own.

 

 

 

I honestly think that if it wasn't for his delivery, nobody would be making this comparison.

[Divinity]

lol we should get Dice-K some weed and if he turns into Lincecum' date=' we'll have a great argument to legalise it!!![/quote']

 

I agree, after all Timmy helped get it legalized in Cali :thumbsup:

 

http://ohhburn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/tim-lincecum1.jpg

[italstallianion]

lol Timmy and Phelps could form a "Green Team" if you konw what I mean.

[ORS]

While I agree that the comparison has no merit outside of similar pitching motion/delivery, he is an intriguing pitcher. I don't care if his average FB is clocked at 92 when he throws two different kinds, with a preponderance of them being 2-seamers that move up to 9" laterally on average (data from last night's start at brooksbaseball.net). I love watching pitchers that can get it to move that much.

 

If he can ever get very good command of that pitch and throw a cutter/slider from the same arm action/arm slot like Halladay does, then he could very well be the next big time pitcher. He's obviously not there yet, and Halladay had well established himself by the time he was 27, winning a CYA at age 26, so it's probably unlikely he ever gets there. That said, he is interesting.

[Dipre]

Those are a lot of ifs, not to mention that even though the velocity of his fastball is not as important to a pitcher's overall stuff as one may be inclined to believe, the loss of velocity over the lack couple of years, the poor peripherals and the poor values of his secondary stuff (when taking his luck into account) don't paint a pretty picture.

 

There are tons of guys in the league with intriguing stuff, few of them pull it together to become very good, even less become great like Schilling, only one became Roy Halladay.

[MJantomaso]

Morton hasnt sit the bed yet! lol

[Emmz]

Halladay isn't exactly known for his excellent "stuff" like Pedro or Clemens or RJ, he's more like Maddux.. Obviously you have to have good "stuff" to be effective, but Halladay just knows how to get into the hitters mind and get them out. His biggest strength is that he's so good at locating his pitches, I don't think Morton's got that yet. That, and Halladay is the prototypical modern workhorse pitcher, which Morton doesn't have at this point either.

[Keeper]

Definitely due for a correction. Masterson is a pretty good comp. Morton could get by with the walk rate if his K rate were higher. Against a lefty-heavy lineup, it could get ugly fast.

 

That said, I do find him intriguing because his delivery is almost exactly like Halladay's now. He even has similar movement on some of his pitches.

 

It should be noted that he was a very good groundball pitcher before he mimicked Halladay. Now, he's inducing groundballs 63% of the time, which is insane. That's better than Cahill and Britton. He gave up 15 gopher balls in 80 innings last year. This year, he's given up 2 long balls in 68 innings. If he can continue to keep the ball in the yard, the regression that is forthcoming won't be terrible.

[MJantomaso]

Halladay isn't exactly known for his excellent "stuff" like Pedro or Clemens or RJ' date=' he's more like Maddux.. Obviously you have to have good "stuff" to be effective, but Halladay just knows how to get into the hitters mind and get them out. His biggest strength is that he's so good at locating his pitches, I don't think Morton's got that yet. That, and Halladay is the prototypical modern workhorse pitcher, which Morton doesn't have at this point either.[/quote']

 

Im pretty sure Halladay has some of the best stuff in the game along with his ability to locate and doesn't play Jedi mind games while he pitches...or does he? :dunno:

[MJantomaso]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGzVATURK0&feature=related

 

Baseball tonight on Charlie Morton lol

[Emmz]

Im pretty sure Halladay has some of the best stuff in the game along with his ability to locate and doesn't play Jedi mind games while he pitches...or does he? :dunno:

 

Apparently you didn't take the time to read the entire post? :dunno:

 

Anyhow, Halladay doesn't have the wicked nasty stuff that gets you lots of strikeouts. He's a guy who pitches to contact, and he has very good stuff (like I said before), and his best strength is in locating his pitches. Morton does not have the latter at the moment, but Halladay used to suck at locating his pitches too, back when he was trying to overpower hitters. If his stuff was legendary (Which is what I was referring to when I said he doesn't have Clemens, Pedro, RJ, etc. kind of stuff) he would have been able to overpower hitters.

 

There are many pitchers who are more overpowering than Halladay, those guys got better "stuff", they just don't have that pitchers intelligence. Greg Maddux by no means had the most wicked stuff in the league, but he was the best pitcher in baseball for most of the 90s and early 2000s. He was always pinpoint with his accuracy, and he could hit the players weak spots all day. He just knew how to get guys out. Seriously, the guy topped out at 90 mph with his fastball.

 

What do you consider "stuff"? If you include location in the term "stuff" then that changes everything, but I always noticed when the word "stuff" is used, it usually seems to imply a mix of velocity and movement. Example:

 

"[insert Player Here] has some wicked stuff but he could use some work on his location".

[MJantomaso]

Apparently you didn't take the time to read the entire post? :dunno:

 

Anyhow, Halladay doesn't have the wicked nasty stuff that gets you lots of strikeouts. He's a guy who pitches to contact, and he has very good stuff (like I said before), and his best strength is in locating his pitches. Morton does not have the latter at the moment, but Halladay used to suck at locating his pitches too, back when he was trying to overpower hitters. If his stuff was legendary (Which is what I was referring to when I said he doesn't have Clemens, Pedro, RJ, etc. kind of stuff) he would have been able to overpower hitters.

 

There are many pitchers who are more overpowering than Halladay, those guys got better "stuff", they just don't have that pitchers intelligence. Greg Maddux by no means had the most wicked stuff in the league, but he was the best pitcher in baseball for most of the 90s and early 2000s. He was always pinpoint with his accuracy, and he could hit the players weak spots all day. He just knew how to get guys out. Seriously, the guy topped out at 90 mph with his fastball.

 

What do you consider "stuff"? If you include location in the term "stuff" then that changes everything, but I always noticed when the word "stuff" is used, it usually seems to imply a mix of velocity and movement. Example:

 

"[insert Player Here] has some wicked stuff but he could use some work on his location".

 

I'm not going to waste my time reading this because I was kidding.

[Emmz]

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