www.FireFrancona.com

[Wasatch]

where's the link?

[Palodios]

I just put "fire Francona" into google, and I was not surprised to see an existing petition already up, that wanted Francona's head. Unfortunately, that petition was created in August 2004

[MJantomaso]

You don't just fire a manager like francona w/o a replacment. There are not "hundreds" of minor league potential managers' date=' I don't think Old Lou is looking to manage again (not that his last couple years with the Cubbies inspire much confidence anyway), and Bobby looks pretty content on Baseball Tonight. It's fine to say you want to get rid of a guy who really hasn't done a good job this season, but you have to have a replacement. This isn't the Pirates its the damn Red Sox they aren't going to hire some scrub to come in midseason and scrap all preseason expectations. Despite the slow start we are by no means out of the division race, if/(hope not) when we are THEN Francona will lose his job.[/quote']

 

Idk if you remember but in 2004 the Redsox hired a scrub coach called Terry Francona. A coach that has never had a winning season in his coaching career since he arrived in Boston. So do not tell me we cant pick up a great coaching prospect or a good veteran coach to come in and fill his spot. <_>

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I just put "fire Francona" into google' date=' and I was not surprised to see an existing petition already up, that wanted Francona's head. Unfortunately, that petition was created in August 2004 [/quote']

 

So I'm not the only one who didn't like him back then too. Good.

[Scottish Red Sox Fan]

Fire Francona? Are you nuts!

 

Tito is a legend. Even if things don't go so well for a while he deserves to be cut plenty of slack and allowed time to turn it around. Which he always does.

 

Before 2004 we'd have all cut our goolies off to have a manager who could lead us to 2 World Series wins. We now have one. Let's not go and fire him, especially when he's done nothing to deserve being fired for.

 

I am totally behind Terry Francona. He's a great man and a great manager. There's nobody I'd rather see managing the Red Sox.

 

Go Tito! :thumbsup:

[DirtDog]

Is the OP 12?

[ORS]

Tito's job is to set the lineup and manage the pitching staff. He so-so at the former, and pretty awful at the latter. He "lead" them to two championships because he was along for the ride with a two very, very talented teams.

[Scottish Red Sox Fan]

Tito's job is to set the lineup and manage the pitching staff. He so-so at the former' date=' and pretty awful at the latter. He "lead" them to two championships because he was along for the ride with a two very, very talented teams.[/quote']

 

The Red Sox have had many talented teams down the years but could not get over the finishing line for an eternity. Tito has lead us over the finishing line not once but twice.

 

That puts him in the Red Sox legend category in my estimation.

[ORS]

The Red Sox have had many talented teams down the years but could not get over the finishing line for an eternity. Tito has lead us over the finishing line not once but twice.

 

That puts him in the Red Sox legend category in my estimation.

No, they really didn't. Duquette brought in some trancendent stars (Manny, Pedro), but he never finished off the roster well. We saw the tail end of the careers for Jack Clark, Dante Bichette, et al, but no manager before him had a roster as complete as the ones Francona had.

 

You are giving him entirely too much credit.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox have had many talented teams down the years but could not get over the finishing line for an eternity. Tito has lead us over the finishing line not once but twice.

 

That puts him in the Red Sox legend category in my estimation.

Tito's in game moves drive me nuts, but he has earned legendary status in my opinion. In 1978, Zimmer gave away the pennant by burying Bill Lee in the bullpen like a stubborn ass.

[Scottish Red Sox Fan]

Tito's in game moves drive me nuts' date=' but he has earned legendary status in my opinion. In 1978, Zimmer gave away the pennant by burying Bill Lee in the bullpen like a stubborn ass.[/quote']

 

Grady Little springs to mind too.

 

The percentage of baseball managers that win even one World Series is pretty small, the percentage of baseball managers that win 2 World Series must be very small. Terry Francona is in that group.

 

I'll always be eternally grateful to him for the job he's done in Boston and I don't think he's done anything to warrant being fired at this point.

[ORS]

Grady Little springs to mind too.

 

The percentage of baseball managers that win even one World Series is pretty small, the percentage of baseball managers that win 2 World Series must be very small. Terry Francona is in that group.

 

I'll always be eternally grateful to him for the job he's done in Boston and I don't think he's done anything to warrant being fired at this point.

Francona makes the same mistake Little made, the one that got Little fired, on a regular basis in the regular season.

 

I'm on record stating I think he's a good postseason manager, but he's asleep at the wheel if it's not October. The mistakes he's making in the regular season this year combined with the rough start could cost them a playoff spot. After being given a roster with this much talent, missing the postseason is every bit as bad and worthy of losing a job over as what Little did. Why should management put up with this?

[BSN07]

Tito's job is to set the lineup and manage the pitching staff. He so-so at the former' date=' and pretty awful at the latter. He "lead" them to two championships because he was along for the ride with a two very, very talented teams.[/quote']

 

So isn't he just along for the ride now as well?

[Dojji]

No, they really didn't. Duquette brought in some trancendent stars (Manny, Pedro), but he never finished off the roster well. We saw the tail end of the careers for Jack Clark, Dante Bichette, et al, but no manager before him had a roster as complete as the ones Francona had.

 

You are giving him entirely too much credit.

 

You're looking too recently. Sure Duquette couldn't go toe to toe with the Yankees when they were pushing all the buttons right, no one can, but go back a few decades, or even kore than a few. Think of the Williams era. The Yaz era. The Rice era. Think of the early Clemens era. These were teams built to dominate the league, and they died on the doorstep every time. How can you say Tito's any worse than about average, when he can take a team over the top and all those good teams couldn't do it?

 

The 2004 team was a good team, but not absurdly so. Sure, they had a good one two punch in the rotation and a knockout lineup, but they also had a flawed pen, weak team defense and had to open the year figuring out what to do with a pouting all-star. Trot missed pretty much all of that regular season. The entire infield was in flux. That was the year the shortstop-go-round began. Second base had been a bad joke for years other than one good year of Walker in '03, and if Bellhorn hadn't had one of only two solid years he would have in his career it would have been more of the same there. Only Bill Mueller at third base knew he had a job going into spring training and was actually right.

 

Bout the only positions I'd call really great for the Sox that year are DH, CF and Catcher. 1B, 2B, and for the most part RF and SS were filled with plug guys and roleplayers. 3B was solid, but not worldbeating. Manny can hit, but he isn't going to help the pitchers. The result was a team that had a flaw for every strength and it was anyone's guess what was going to happen that year.

 

This team only really came together as the one we remember down 3 games to 0 in the ALCS. Before then they were just another Red Sox team.

[SoxSport]

Cmon. Tito is a people skills guy. His main forte is the players and the media like him. So does the front office. He's a good company survivor. The media never says anything bad about him.

 

Kinda like Doc Rivers. Same profile. Doc just got a 5 year extension-- after running his old starters ragged and not developing a bench. Everybody likes Doc.

 

Neither guy is a great game coach.

[a700hitter]

This team only really came together as the one we remember down 3 games to 0 in the ALCS. Before then they were just another Red Sox team.

Not true. After the trading deadline they went on a scorching hot streak that carried them through to the end of the season. They were clearly the hottest and superior team at the start of the playoffs. That is why being down 3-0 to the Yankees was such a shock. The Red Sox were favored going into the ALCS and they were favored in each of the last 4 games. They were the better team that season.

[ORS]

I want to caveat what I've been saying here to add some clarity to my mindset. While I am OK with, and probably in favor of, replacing Francona, I won't be upset if he stays. I don't think managers, overall, have a terribly big impact on the final standings in the regular season. I think the talent wins out in the end for the most part, and games that are lost due to managerial blunders probably wash out with times the oppenents manager is the one having a bad day.

[Jwmann2]

Fire Francona? And hire who? A Top three manager in Major League Baseball. With all of that money to spend on guys like A Gonz and Crawford, I think its the players you should be upset with. Not to mention its still only May. You won't know anything about this team until Mid-July.

[Cocos Disciples]

The 2004 team was a good team, but not absurdly so. Sure, they had a good one two punch in the rotation and a knockout lineup, but they also had a flawed pen, weak team defense and had to open the year figuring out what to do with a pouting all-star. Trot missed pretty much all of that regular season. The entire infield was in flux. That was the year the shortstop-go-round began. Second base had been a bad joke for years other than one good year of Walker in '03, and if Bellhorn hadn't had one of only two solid years he would have in his career it would have been more of the same there. Only Bill Mueller at third base knew he had a job going into spring training and was actually right.

 

Bout the only positions I'd call really great for the Sox that year are DH, CF and Catcher. 1B, 2B, and for the most part RF and SS were filled with plug guys and roleplayers. 3B was solid, but not worldbeating. Manny can hit, but he isn't going to help the pitchers. The result was a team that had a flaw for every strength and it was anyone's guess what was going to happen that year.

 

This team only really came together as the one we remember down 3 games to 0 in the ALCS. Before then they were just another Red Sox team.

 

Not true. After the trading deadline they went on a scorching hot streak that carried them through to the end of the season. They were clearly the hottest and superior team at the start of the playoffs. That is why being down 3-0 to the Yankees was such a shock. The Red Sox were favored going into the ALCS and they were favored in each of the last 4 games. They were the better team that season.

 

Agree with a700. The 2004 team had the best regular season record since 1978. They went .696 starting on July 24. That's a 113 win pace.

[SoxSport]

You can put this thread to bed--until the next losing streak. Theyve beaten the Yanks 5 out of 6-is it?

That has saved them. Tito still has issues with CC and Salty that should resolve themselves shortly.

 

Having to bat a player like CC 8th is a bit of a joke. A sign there is no place in the lineup for him? At least while he is struggling to hit .200.

And the front office needs to give Tito another catcher, and stop coddling Wakefield--who looks like the odd man out more than ever.

[redsoxbeatz]

yea im not about to fire a guy that has helped brought 2 world series to boston

 

This. I mean, he joined in 2004 & won us our first WS in 86 years. Then he did it again in 2007.

 

Even if he is considered a horrible manager by the fans POV I highly doubt management is going to drop a guy who has won 2 WS in the past 7 seasons. I guess if we can't win one in the next 3 he could get dropped? I don't know... But I also don't know a lot about managers.

[Spudboy]

I am still fascinated how fans seem to think they know so much more than a MLB Manager.

 

Hey, I mean, Tito is not Grady Little.

[boston22407]

I am still fascinated how fans seem to think they know so much more than a MLB Manager.

 

Hey, I mean, Tito is not Grady Little.

 

:thumbsup:

[Cocos Disciples]

Sox bats just needed to come alive for this idea to die.

[RedSoxFaithful]

I actually don't think we need to fire Francona or that we could but I wouldn't mind if someone else took over managing the pen. he does a good job sometimes but he also makes really dumb moves that lose us games. I guess it could be much worse we could have Joe Girardi as our manager!!

 

P.S. your also right what the f*** do I know I just don't always agree with how he uses his pen or when he pulls a starter.

[SoxSport]

I am still fascinated how fans seem to think they know so much more than a MLB Manager.

 

Hey, I mean, Tito is not Grady Little.

 

 

The main part of a manager's job is to handle the players--and the media. And play ball with the front office. Tito appears to do all those things well. He is a survivor. He learned from his first job with the Phillies.

 

The minor part of his job is to make out the lineup and manage a game. That's where some of the lawyers and rocket scientists who populate chatgroups have plenty of fuel to second guess him. None of this will affect Tito's job, because the front office consistently gives him a failsafe team. The guy can't miss, even if he doesn't always shoot straight. Bingo.

[whitesox901]

I'll trade Francona for Ozzie. Even if Francona is bad, his talented players still produce their talents. Our talent under Oz, does not.

[Winterfell]

I have officially began operation Fire Francona.

 

I have decided to make a website to express the frustrations he has put us through over the years.

 

I would love some thoughts and ideas for the web site along with anyone who would like to participate in making this.

 

Below is my first ad for the site!

 

 

 

 

 

You're a complete fool. I love these fans who think because they think they can second guess a MLB manager that they or someone else could do a better job, for every move a manager makes there's an alternative, there's an alternative philosophy, it's endless.

 

So stop pretending you can outshine a manager who with two rings just because some things he does don't go right, you have clearly been fooled into believing that because he's made mistakes, and that calls go wrong that he isn't a good manager.

 

I guarantee you don't notice or care about every decision he gets right, because you're too wrapped up in your own conceit and bile to notice or care.

 

This is typical of the cry-babies that believe their team should have every single close game but for the manager.

 

You sit at home screaming at the TV for a guy not to do something (or 95% of the time after the event), when you have ZERO knowledge of what info he has, or what strategy he's working on, and then you arrogantly assume that your 'plan' would have worked perfectly, never thinking it could actually have ended up much worse.

 

Fans like you make me sick, and f**k your s***** website.

[yeszir]

I have officially began operation Fire Francona.

 

I have decided to make a website to express the frustrations he has put us through over the years.

 

I would love some thoughts and ideas for the web site along with anyone who would like to participate in making this.

 

Below is my first ad for the site!

 

 

 

 

 

You're a complete fool. I love these fans who think because they think they can second guess a MLB manager that they or someone else could do a better job, for every move a manager makes there's an alternative, there's an alternative philosophy, it's endless.

 

So stop pretending you can outshine a manager who with two rings just because some things he does don't go right, you have clearly been fooled into believing that because he's made mistakes, and that calls go wrong that he isn't a good manager.

 

I guarantee you don't notice or care about every decision he gets right, because you're too wrapped up in your own conceit and bile to notice or care.

 

This is typical of the cry-babies that believe their team should have every single close game but for the manager.

 

You sit at home screaming at the TV for a guy not to do something (or 95% of the time after the event), when you have ZERO knowledge of what info he has, or what strategy he's working on, and then you arrogantly assume that your 'plan' would have worked perfectly, never thinking it could actually have ended up much worse.

 

Fans like you make me sick, and f**k your s***** website.

Whoa now....calm your s*** dude. Or you won't last very long here.

[Winterfell]

Whoa now....calm your s*** dude. Or you won't last very long here.

 

 

Ok.

 

But I'm tired of hearing this nonsense, anyone would think Terry had us anchored in last place every year.