2011 Yankee Gamethread

[italstallianion]

Colon get injured or something?

[yankees228]

Yeah, left leg injury covering first.

[a700hitter]

Yeah' date=' left leg injury covering first.[/quote']I'd be surpised if it is a pulled muscle, because I don't think he has muscles. He probably has some spots with hard fat, but no muscle.

[italstallianion]

In all fairness, I think the Yankees have been extremely lucky to be where they are now, considering what was likely expected from Colon, Garcia, and Nova. That might be ok to have them in a rotation in San Diego, but that's a recipe for disaster in NY. The fact that they are even above .500 with AJ Burnett as a #2 starter is a blessing. Sure, a lot of bad things may have happened to NY this year, but they are lucky it's only been "this" bad to this point.

[yankees228]

I'd be surpised if it is a pulled muscle' date=' because I don't think he has muscles. He probably has some spots with hard fat, but no muscle.[/quote']

 

Hahaha, if only that were the case. Strained left hamstring for Colon. That's a guaranteed DL stint.

[yankees228]

In all fairness' date=' I think the Yankees have been extremely lucky to be where they are now, considering what was likely expected from Colon, Garcia, and Nova. That might be ok to have them in a rotation in San Diego, but that's a recipe for disaster in NY. The fact that they are even above .500 with AJ Burnett as a #2 starter is a blessing. Sure, a lot of bad things may have happened to NY this year, but they are lucky it's only been "this" bad to this point.[/quote']

 

I don't think they've been nearly as lucky as you're making it out to be. They've gotten very unlucky with Hughes, who was supposed to be their number two starter coming into the season. Nova has been exactly what was expected out of him, no luck there one way or another. In a way they're fortunate that Colon has been so good, but at the same time, he has pitched very well and is deserving of his results up till this point. The only guy they're lucky with is Garcia, who is awful but has lucked his way into some good outings.

[italstallianion]

I don't think they've been nearly as lucky as you're making it out to be. They've gotten very unlucky with Hughes' date=' who was supposed to be their number two starter coming into the season. Nova has been exactly what was expected out of him, no luck there one way or another. In a way they're fortunate that Colon has been so good, but at the same time, he has pitched very well and is deserving of his results up till this point. The only guy they're lucky with is Garcia, who is awful but has lucked his way into some good outings.[/quote']

 

 

Dude, Colon didn't pitch at all in 2010 due to injuries that he miraculously recovered from despite the fact that he's a Dominican 38 and fat as almighty hell, and the last season he pitched at least this many innings was 2007. And it was probably nearly a decade ago when he finished with numbers as good as he has now.

 

The fact is, with all of the unlucky things you listed, I'd say the Yankees are very fortunate to be above .500 and near first in the division. The way Yankee fans act like they're so unlucky and that they're getting screwed, one would believe that the Yankees were in dead last or something.

[yankees228]

Dude, Colon didn't pitch at all in 2010 due to injuries that he miraculously recovered from despite the fact that he's a Dominican 38 and fat as almighty hell, and the last season he pitched at least this many innings was 2007. And it was probably nearly a decade ago when he finished with numbers as good as he has now.

 

The fact is, with all of the unlucky things you listed, I'd say the Yankees are very fortunate to be above .500 and near first in the division. The way Yankee fans act like they're so unlucky and that they're getting screwed, one would believe that the Yankees were in dead last or something.

 

I agree about Colon. As I mentioned, part of it is lucky. But what I was saying is that, unlike Garcia, Colon's results haven't been lucky.

 

You've mentioned a couple places where they have been lucky (Colon and Garcia), but there are just as many places where they have been unlucky (Hughes, Soriano, Joba, and now Colon). These things typically go both ways, and in this case, they certainly do.

 

If you want to talk about luck, generally the first place you look is PYTH ... and in the Yankees case, their actual record is three games lower than their PYTH record.

 

I'm not saying the Yankees are so unlucky or that they're getting screwed ... nor have I heard any reasonable person say that. But I don't think they're fortunate to be where they are right now, at least record wise.

[Emmz]

Dude, Colon didn't pitch at all in 2010 due to injuries that he miraculously recovered from despite the fact that he's a Dominican 38 and fat as almighty hell, and the last season he pitched at least this many innings was 2007. And it was probably nearly a decade ago when he finished with numbers as good as he has now.

 

The fact is, with all of the unlucky things you listed, I'd say the Yankees are very fortunate to be above .500 and near first in the division. The way Yankee fans act like they're so unlucky and that they're getting screwed, one would believe that the Yankees were in dead last or something.

 

This, their rotation is so bad, but pitching well above expectations. Garcia and Colon are due to come back down to earth any time now.

[BornToRun]

This' date=' their rotation is so bad, but pitching well above expectations. Garcia and Colon are due to come back down to earth any time now.[/quote']

 

Colon is the size of earth so that will be one hell of a fall.

[Emmz]

I agree about Colon. As I mentioned, part of it is lucky. But what I was saying is that, unlike Garcia, Colon's results haven't been lucky.

 

You've mentioned a couple places where they have been lucky (Colon and Garcia), but there are just as many places where they have been unlucky (Hughes, Soriano, Joba, and now Colon). These things typically go both ways, and in this case, they certainly do.

 

If you want to talk about luck, generally the first place you look is PYTH ... and in the Yankees case, their actual record is three games lower than their PYTH record.

 

I'm not saying the Yankees are so unlucky or that they're getting screwed ... nor have I heard any reasonable person say that. But I don't think they're fortunate to be where they are right now, at least record wise.

 

I don't see how they're not fortunate, considering they have 3 terrible starting pitchers, and that lineup is aging fast. They're very fortunate to have the record they have.

[yankees228]

This' date=' their rotation is so bad, but pitching well above expectations. Garcia and Colon are due to come back down to earth any time now.[/quote']

 

Garcia is going to crash and burn, no doubt about it. But if Colon was healthy, there's good reason to expect his success to continue, because the numbers suggest it would.

 

His numbers coming into today's start:

 

3.39 ERA

3.49 FIP

2.99 xFIP

 

The pitcher we've seen for the first two months of this season is who Colon is.

[yankees228]

I don't see how they're not fortunate' date=' considering they have 3 terrible starting pitchers, and that lineup is aging fast. They're very fortunate to have the record they have.[/quote']

 

They've had some unexpected things go right for them. They've had some unexpected things go wrong for them. Sounds a lot like your typical baseball team.

[a700hitter]

This' date=' their rotation is so bad, but pitching well above expectations. Garcia and Colon are due to come back down to earth any time now.[/quote']The 3-5 slots of the rotation is a parade of pigs. Burnett is a head case. They have the rotation of a 4th place team.

[Emmz]

Garcia is going to crash and burn, no doubt about it. But if Colon was healthy, there's good reason to expect his success to continue, because the numbers suggest it would.

 

His numbers coming into today's start:

 

3.39 ERA

3.49 FIP

2.99 xFIP

 

The pitcher we've seen for the first two months of this season is who Colon is.

 

I was thinking more injury, considering how he's so big, and he hasn't been healthy for some time. His stuff is as good as it was when he was with the Angels, I just didn't see him remaining healthy, I think it's hard to expect someone like him to pitch a full season either.

[yankees228]

I was thinking more injury' date=' considering how he's so big, and he hasn't been healthy for some time. His stuff is as good as it was when he was with the Angels, I just didn't see him remaining healthy, I think it's hard to expect someone like him to pitch a full season either.[/quote']

 

Well there you go lol.

[jacksonianmarch]

Getting Colon for peanuts and having him work out is fortunate. The way he is throwing, the results have been earned through good stuff and location rather than luck. Garcia is doing this with smoke and mirrors. His results thus far have been pretty lucky. Regardless, I think Noesi moves into the rotation for 2-3 turns with Colon out, and I think he will do very well. We have a lot of good pitching prospects ready to contribute.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Boy Yankee pitchers are going down one by one. Baseball gods if you want to pick a pitcher on the Yankees CC is still healthy. Just sayin'.

[yankees228]

Getting Colon for peanuts and having him work out is fortunate. The way he is throwing' date=' the results have been earned through good stuff and location rather than luck. Garcia is doing this with smoke and mirrors. His results thus far have been pretty lucky.[/b'] Regardless, I think Noesi moves into the rotation for 2-3 turns with Colon out, and I think he will do very well. We have a lot of good pitching prospects ready to contribute.

 

Right, this.

[jacksonianmarch]

Brett Gardner went 3 for 4 with 2 doubles, a triple, and 3 runs scored today. OPS up to .770.

[a700hitter]

Brett Gardner went 3 for 4 with 2 doubles' date=' a triple, and 3 runs scored today. OPS up to .770.[/quote']Extend him for 4 years.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Brett Gardner went 3 for 4 with 2 doubles' date=' a triple, and 3 runs scored today. OPS up to .770.[/quote']

 

He's playing the Guardians. Wait till he faces a better team and you'll be right back to complaining about lack of offense.

[Divinity]

Guardians have been one of the best teams in the AL so far this year

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Don't let that hot start fool you. Have you seen the Guardians lately? They lost 4 staright and are 1-9 the last 10 games. Man is that what it feels like to be a top team in the AL? Wow, the Sox are really missing out. Please.

[Emmz]

Guardians have been one of the best teams in the AL so far this year

 

Please, you know better than this. The Royals started out a season 16-2 back in 2003 I believe. The Guardians were playing not only above themselves, but miles above themselves. They would have to be extremely lucky all season long to continue having the best record.

 

IMO, they will crash and burn, if they're not already doing so.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I am going to be so happy on the day when Freddy Garcia begins pitching like...well, Freddy Garcia. It's going to be beautiful, like the blooming of a corpse flower, the beaching of a majestic whale, or the passionate, natural beauty of a mating pair of howler monkeys.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's playing the Guardians. Wait till he faces a better team and you'll be right back to complaining about lack of offense.

 

Josh Tomlin has been a quality pitcher this yr. Regardless, he's better than any of you are giving credit for and it pains you to eat the crow/evidence

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Gardner has a good game vs a quality pitcher quick name him MVP.

[a700hitter]

Josh Tomlin has been a quality pitcher this yr. Regardless' date=' he's better than any of you are giving credit for and it pains you to eat the crow/evidence[/quote']Extend him for 4 years, please!!!

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Extend him for 4 years.

 

Knowing the Yankees they'll extend him for 9 years. He'll be decent for 4 of them.