Yankee Trade Rumors- Latest: Liriano to the Yanks??

[Palodios]

I should have added a smiley or something, because that was definitely a joke haha.

[a700hitter]

I would definitely be on board with Myers. I like his contract status with an option for 2012. He's always been a guy who got it done when healthy' date=' but health was a big concern. He missed more than half of 2009 due to injury and was yo-yo'd around into the closer role in 2007. He's a frontline guy on a bad team, but a guy who would slide in well into the middle of a rotation if needed. I like his stuff, he's been rather consistent in terms of peripherals and would be a good addition. My guess is that Houston would ask for a lot since he is coming off his best season. I wouldnt part with any of the B's for him, and since we need Nova this season, I wouldnt part with him either. Seeing as Houston now has some concern at the C position with Castro blowing out his knee, a deal structured around Romine would be the starting point, IMO.[/quote']They will not be getting anyone prior to the trading deadline which is 5 months away.

[jacksonianmarch]

Who knows, that might be a blessing depending on how the current staff pitches. I have a feeling our top 4 will pleasantly surprise Yankee fans

[Divinity]

They will not be getting anyone prior to the trading deadline which is 5 months away.

 

Agree. It’s the spring. Even teams who don’t stand to go anywhere like the Astros are feeling optimistic and, more importantly, are selling it to their fans. Even the Yankees will want to see where they stand with what they have. No one is trading a front of the rotation starter right now.

[a700hitter]

Who knows' date=' that might be a blessing depending on how the current staff pitches. I have a feeling our top 4 will pleasantly surprise Yankee fans[/quote']I didn't realize that the Yankees had a top 4. I thought they have a top 3 and a combination of rookies and lames for the final two slots.

[ORS]

Why do they need to trade for Liriano? Listening to the hype, this Banuelos kid is supposed to be a left-handed Pedro Martinez.

[jacksonianmarch]

Banuelos isnt going to be big league ready until 2012 and we all know that rookies typically take a little while to hit their stride. But he does look good. Easy heat from the left, good location, plus curve and change, and good pickoff. Obviously, health and adjusting are the two biggest things for him, but he's a future ace, IMO. Who knows how long it takes for him to reach that though

[kreinbihl34]

I'm really tired of hearing you claim everyone is a future ace.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Just curious Kreinbihl34, what other Yankees prospect has Jacko claimed was going to be an "ace"? He can be a Yankees homer sometimes but I haven't seen him claim other prospects. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just telling you what I see from my P.O.V

[yankees228]

Just curious Kreinbihl34' date=' what other Yankees prospect has Jacko claimed was going to be an "ace"? He can be a Yankees homer sometimes but I haven't seen him claim other prospects. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just telling you what I see from my P.O.V[/quote']

 

Nah you're right. The narrative about Jacko and Yankees' prospects is silly and completely overblown. And in this case, thinking highly of Banuelos' potential is absolutely reasonable.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Absolutely, at least from what I read. I'm not going to say that he plays great and looks major league ready because I haven't seen him play. He supposedly is the Yankees 2nd best prospect. I don't expect to hear bad things about him.

[Emmz]

Nah you're right. The narrative about Jacko and Yankees' prospects is silly and completely overblown. And in this case' date=' thinking highly of Banuelos' potential is absolutely reasonable.[/quote']

 

I think it's more because he hypes a lot of the Yankees prospects, but also tends to be doom-and-gloom on Red Sox prospects. I think that's what really bothers people.

[italstallianion]

Where's ORS with the Jacko chart when we need him? lol

[Emmz]

Where's ORS with the Jacko chart when we need him? lol

 

This.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I think it's more because he hypes a lot of the Yankees prospects' date=' but also tends to be doom-and-gloom on Red Sox prospects. I think that's what really bothers people.[/quote']

 

To be honest, there's nothing wrong with that.

[Meh]

I think it's more because he hypes a lot of the Yankees prospects' date=' but also tends to be doom-and-gloom on Red Sox prospects. I think that's what really bothers people.[/quote']

 

Really he seems to be pretty high on a quite a few of their prospects, at least about 3 months ago anyway. I'm a huge fan of Britton, like Raunado and think Iggy's bat is overrated right now but like him as a player in the majors down the line, but I didn't see too much after that, but he seemed to think there were quite a few more.

[jacksonianmarch]

I haven't been doom and gloom on sox prospects. I've said multiple time that I thought Casey Kelly was a bit overrated. Does that make me doom and gloom? I have also said I really liked the sox 2009 and 2010 drafts to a point where I think the sox will be a top 10 farm by 2013, once all those HSers develop. And I am not convinced of Iglesias' bat. Maybe that made me doom and gloom?

[yankees228]

I haven't been doom and gloom on sox prospects. I've said multiple time that I thought Casey Kelly was a bit overrated. Does that make me doom and gloom? I have also said I really liked the sox 2009 and 2010 drafts to a point where I think the sox will be a top 10 farm by 2013' date=' once all those HSers develop. And I am not convinced of Iglesias' bat. Maybe that made me doom and gloom?[/quote']

 

Delusional, Yankee homer!

[ORS]

Just curious Kreinbihl34' date=' what other Yankees prospect has Jacko claimed was going to be an "ace"? He can be a Yankees homer sometimes but I haven't seen him claim other prospects. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just telling you what I see from my P.O.V[/quote']

Chamberlain and Hughes were both sure bets to be aces. Ian Kennedy had a good deal of hype from Jacko, but he softened real quick when he actually saw him pitch in the big leagues. We were told to watch out for Alan Horne, oh, and Chase Wright, who's biggest claim to fame is being of the pitchers in the back-to-back-to-back-to-back HR derby a few years back.

 

He has every reason to be excited about Banuelos and Betances. That said, those that have been around for a few years have seen this movie before. Just ask Yaz and VA, who knew him before at the Boston Herald forum.

[Meh]

Chamberlain and Hughes were both sure bets to be aces. Ian Kennedy had a good deal of hype from Jacko, but he softened real quick when he actually saw him pitch in the big leagues. We were told to watch out for Alan Horne, oh, and Chase Wright, who's biggest claim to fame is being of the pitchers in the back-to-back-to-back-to-back HR derby a few years back.

 

He has every reason to be excited about Banuelos and Betances. That said, those that have been around for a few years have seen this movie before. Just ask Yaz and VA, who knew him before at the Boston Herald forum.

 

Well Horne has great stuff, along with Garcia injuries are a major factor in guys making it to the bigs and stay at top. Lester, CC, etc can all be hit with the injury bug at any time like Horne was. I hope he didn't hype up Wright though... Hughes is a good pitcher though, he's still what 23 or 24?

[ORS]

Re: Hughes, he's good, but that's not a sure fire ace. Look, you are new here. Stick around awhile and experience the hyperbole for as long as many of us have. You'll see.

[Palodios]

Hughes and Kennedy have each had one full season each. During that season, they both spent that as #2s of their respective teams. Jacko may exaggerate a bit, but if taken with a grain of salt, sometimes he does have some useful info on prospects.

[ORS]

Hughes has over three years of service time. His performance to date is a massive disappointment relative to any expectations that would have been established by Jacko's commentary. And that is the point I'm making, that his commentary consistently and repeatedly overstated any and all positives for the players in question, and it appears to be

based solely by what uniform they wear.

[Meh]

Hughes has over three years of service time. His performance to date is a massive disappointment relative to any expectations that would have been established by Jacko's commentary. And that is the point I'm making, that his commentary consistently and repeatedly overstated any and all positives for the players in question, and it appears to be

based solely by what uniform they wear.

 

He's two years away from entering his prime too.... Let's see what he does this year at least.

[ORS]

You are missing the point because of some perceived slight against Hughes, one that doesn't exist. I agree, he could be very good. That doesn't change my point. Even if he ends up very good....he'd still be a let down from the expectations one would naturally assume based on Jacko's effusive praise of him as a prospect.

 

The same goes with any other prospect. I don't pretend to know which these guys talents will ultimately succeed at the highest level. Any of them could be good, but regardless of that fact, anyone who takes Jacko's unmitigated glee for these guys at face value, will ultimately end up disappointed more than most. When you are among your own, fine...have at it. When you are coming to the house of the enemy for the sole purpose of metaphorically rubbing our noses in the awesomeness of the Yankee player development machine...well, it gets a little tiresome. This is what kreinbihl was stating. RSFFL jumped in and defended Jacko, but he hasn't been around long enough to know the history. I enlightened him.

[Palodios]

Maybe I wasn't clear-- What I'm saying is.... He's Jacko. Anyone who has listened to him talk about the Yankees for more than two or three posts can figure out the bias. But for two guys he said were going to be aces to be #2s--at 24 and 26 years old respectively--I think that does show that he knows more about the Yankee farm system than most of us--especially when I bet a lot of us had given up on them. That being said, I always look at his projections and dial them back a bit for Jacko being Jacko.

[jacksonianmarch]

Chamberlain and Hughes were both sure bets to be aces. Ian Kennedy had a good deal of hype from Jacko, but he softened real quick when he actually saw him pitch in the big leagues. We were told to watch out for Alan Horne, oh, and Chase Wright, who's biggest claim to fame is being of the pitchers in the back-to-back-to-back-to-back HR derby a few years back.

 

He has every reason to be excited about Banuelos and Betances. That said, those that have been around for a few years have seen this movie before. Just ask Yaz and VA, who knew him before at the Boston Herald forum.

 

Horne blew out his arm twice. Wright never improved his command. These guys aren't 100% locks. There's always something they need to improve on and for a pitcher, health is the most important

[ORS]

Maybe I wasn't clear-- What I'm saying is.... He's Jacko. Anyone who has listened to him talk about the Yankees for more than two or three posts can figure out the bias. But for two guys he said were going to be aces to be #2s--at 24 and 26 years old respectively--I think that does show that he knows more about the Yankee farm system than most of us--especially when I bet a lot of us had given up on them. That being said' date=' I always look at his projections and dial them back a bit for Jacko being Jacko.[/quote']

One, I'm not sure I'd call either an established #2 right now. Kennedy had a pretty good season....for an AL East pitcher....but he did it in the NL West. Meh, and he's got the kind of stuff that gets a lot easier to hit the next time around. Hughes was excellent early and faded big time. Was that hitters becoming familiar with him or was it fatigue from relieving the year before? Dunno, but that question needs to be answered before I'd call him a #2.

 

Two, still kind of missing the point. It doesn't make Jacko knowledgable because a couple of guys are finding some success. If that's the case, let me write the future for you, Jacko will be right about every prospect the Yankees graduate to the majors who finds success, because he'll see good things for all of them when they are prospects. There's no black cloud with this guy, it's all silver lining.

[jacksonianmarch]

Once again, you're off by a long shot. These players have X ceiling. That ceiling assumes everything goes right. When it comes to hitters, that ceiling doesnt typically take into account injury. When it comes to pitchers, injury is HUGE. If a guy has a back of the rotation ceiling, then assuming everything goes right, he'll be a #4 or #5 starter. Nothing amazing. We have a few guys who fit into that category who arent that far away from their ceilings, but health is HUGE for a pitcher. Most of the pitchers who flopped did so due to health issues

[ORS]

Jacko, let's face the facts, man. You're a weatherman who calls for rain every day. Because your forecast never changes, it means you aren't prescient when it rains. Start giving us some mixed reviews, ie tone down the hyperbole with these kids, and you'll be a little more credible. Short of that, you'll get labelled, correctly I might add, as a pom-pom waving homer.