Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[yankees228]

Ital, are you a Bama football fan?

[italstallianion]

No. Other than being a Uconn fan I don't really have any alliances in college football. (Other than hating UF) I may root for a particular team now and then, but I usually pick the team I want to win at the start of the game.

 

I just really like the ESPN commercial where everyone says "Roll Tide" in random situations, like when getting a ticket, or in school, or in passing by as a greeting. So I just like randomly saying "Roll Tide" since it sounds better than "War Eagle" or "Rock Chalk Jayhawk"

[yankees228]

Ah I gotcha. I agree, that's a great commercial.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Not really surprised I have close to last place. I'm facing some tough opponents. Now we wait and see how my players produce and go from there.

[EXman369]

1. WhiskeyBreath (44) High: 1st Low: 12th

2. Y228 (61) High: 1st Low: 11th

3. Dipre (63) High: 1st Low: 11th

4. Italstallianion (70) High: 1st Low: 13th

5. Keeper (71) High: 1st Low: 10th

6. A700 (80) High: 1st Low: 11th

7. Ytrb (85) High: 2nd Low: 10th

8. JBay (87) High: 1st Low: 12th

9. Divinity (102) High: 1st Low: 12th

10. Will (136) High: 7th Low: 14th

11. Jacoby Ellsbury (143) High: 6th Low: 13th

12. Forsyth (146) High: 8th Low: 14th

13. Exman (155) High: 2nd Low: 14th

14. RSFFL (159) High: 6th Low: 14th

15. Flynnatic (173) High: 6th Low: 14th

 

It will be real interesting to see where the ranking will finish at the end of the season

[italstallianion]

I figured that there would have been more of a reaction to the rankings, since everyone seemed so excited to see them.

[Jasonbay44]

Its kind of interesting how many different opinions there was.. Everybody who had a first place vote also had a vote that was near last.

[yankees228]

It's interesting, but also unsurprising, that there was so much variety. I'm also not surprised at all that WB was one, and while I didn't have him there, he is certainly deserving of that spot.

 

I'm obviously pleased with my ranking, and it makes me think that people really took defense into account.

[Divinity]

Indeed, these power rankings results could have been picked randomly from a hat with the same results. lol

[italstallianion]

I think that there will be less variation once actual performance is factored in.

[italstallianion]

On another note, and to speak of the difficulty of ranking the teams, is that if we eliminated everyone's vote and started over, whether or not everyone would have the same exact power rankings as they did earlier. I doubt that I would.

[italstallianion]

If anyone has any questions about the scoring or about where their teams votes were (ie how many first place votes, how many 2nd place votes etc) you got. I can happily provide that information. I'm just not going to name names.

[yrtb]

I expected WB to be #1, and y228 and dipre to be top 5, and for the bottom two to be near the bottom, but that was about it. Little bit disappointed with where I stand, but it's meaningless so whatever

[italstallianion]

I wouldn't worry about it. I put the High and the Low numbers to show that there is a lot of variation for every single team. I wish that I could say that there is an exact science to it, and that there's a clear rubric on how to vote, but there isn't. Anyone that's done these redrafts knows that there are often mistakes in power rankings. However, anyone that's done these redrafts also knows that very rarely do these power ranking mistakes manifest themselves in the voting process and decide the matchups. I think that as a whole, the high and low variations evened out, and produced a pretty consistent ranking similar to a lot of the votes.

[Divinity]

Just throwing this out there as a suggestion, what if you were to use Rotisserie scoring from the previous years season stats to determine pre-season power rankings?

 

Say you are in a 12-team league, the team with the most home runs will receive 12 points, the team with the second most will receive 11 points, etc. In the case of a tie, each team involved receives an average of the total points due—i.e., in the above example, if two teams were tied for first in homers, each would receive 11.5 points [(12 + 11) / 2 = 11.5].

 

So, if you were playing in a league with 12 teams and 12 scoring categories, the lowest point total possible is 12 [12 * 1 = 12] and the highest is 144 [12 * 12 = 144].

[Dipre]

Nope.

 

This is not a fantasy league.

 

The whole purpose of a re-draft is to stimulate thinking and exercise logic. Using a fantasy-style scoring system denies this very purpose and denies many intangibles that should be taken into consideration.

[italstallianion]

Although one can argue that by waiting until the end of the season, we are taking a lot of the thought out of it (since we will have concrete evidence of the performance of the players since it's for this coming year) but that said, fantasy scoring does not factor a lot of things, such as defense, different teams/lineups/ballparks, different usage.

 

In all honesty, if someone asked me who would ask a rotisserie question, without a doubt in my mind I would have said Divinity. Similarly, if I ever needed somebody to draft me a really good fantasy team, I'd also choose Divinity.

[Divinity]

Doesn't the Fielding category factor Defense? It was just a suggestion for pre-season rankings, as you mentioned are virtually meaningless. The fact that 8 different teams were in 1st while every team was in the bottom 5 lacks consistency. :dunno:

[italstallianion]

Doesn't the Fielding category factor Defense? It was just a suggestion for pre-season rankings' date=' as you mentioned are virtually meaningless. The fact that 8 different teams were in 1st while every team was in the bottom 5 lacks consistency. :dunno:[/quote']

 

 

It does, but keep in mind that a lot of the people here are new to the redrafts. I think that a lot of the variation will get straightened out over time, especially as the fresh data comes in during the season.

[yrtb]

It would be cool to see how the scoring would have played out in the roto format, making the categories for defense Fielding %, Assists, and UZR/150, hitting could be HR, .AVG, .OPS, NSB, and pitchings wins, saves, ERA, WHIP, BAA, K/BB

[Dipre]

Doesn't the Fielding category factor Defense? It was just a suggestion for pre-season rankings' date=' as you mentioned are virtually meaningless. The fact that 8 different teams were in 1st while every team was in the bottom 5 lacks consistency. :dunno:[/quote']

 

For the pre-season rankings? Using what data? Last year's?, or trying to predict this year's? That makes even less sense buddy.

[Keeper]

Crazy how you can get a 1st place vote from one person and a near cellar dweller vote from another.

[italstallianion]

Yeah, it was interesting that 8 different teams got first place votes yet every single team got at least one bottom 5 vote. Although you and Ytrb got the benefit of the doubt since the lowest vote either of you received was 10th, whereas others had it worse.

[Divinity]

For the pre-season rankings? Using what data? Last year's?' date=' or trying to predict this year's? That makes even less sense buddy.[/quote']

 

Ether using last years data as a foundation and adjusting accordingly or by using the 2011 projected data, its by no mean perfect but could be an improvement by providing more consistency from the voters. I guess really doesn't matter since though we'll be able to reference the actual stats at the end of the season heh

[SoxFanForsyth]

Each team needs to keep an excel sheet of their players performance so that not everyone has to go through each player and look up their stats to keep up with how they're doing if they aren't able to watch every game.

 

Stats such as BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, HR, Runs Scored, Stolen bases, UZR, etc

And for pitchers - IP, ERA, Quality Starts, BB:K, etc.

 

If everyone does that, I'll compile a master spreadsheet that has a tab for each player, and then a tab for all pitchers and all hitters, filtered by position, so that we can see who our own league leaders are at each incremental voting.

 

I know we're not using fantasy valuations, but this will at least give us a frame of reference when we are looking at the teams (i.e. Forsyth has a team ERA of 4.2 but his offense is scoring 7.2 runs per game, and his defense has an aggregate UZR of 42).

 

Obviously everyone will value things differently, but I think it will at least give us something to look at rather than having an overload of information.

[italstallianion]

Each team needs to keep an excel sheet of their players performance so that not everyone has to go through each player and look up their stats to keep up with how they're doing if they aren't able to watch every game.

 

Stats such as BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, HR, Runs Scored, Stolen bases, UZR, etc

And for pitchers - IP, ERA, Quality Starts, BB:K, etc.

 

If everyone does that, I'll compile a master spreadsheet that has a tab for each player, and then a tab for all pitchers and all hitters, filtered by position, so that we can see who our own league leaders are at each incremental voting.

 

I know we're not using fantasy valuations, but this will at least give us a frame of reference when we are looking at the teams (i.e. Forsyth has a team ERA of 4.2 but his offense is scoring 7.2 runs per game, and his defense has an aggregate UZR of 42).

 

Obviously everyone will value things differently, but I think it will at least give us something to look at rather than having an overload of information.

 

 

I generally agree with this. In other words, when it comes down to the voting (and we might make an exception for the final power rankings since they will count towards the voting matchups) each team will be able to defend their own team and explain why they have a really good team. In that write up, I'm sure people will use those stats. In addition, people will be able to decide the roles of their players based on the stats. For example, if Jim Thome does really well vs. RHP and horrible vs. LHP, I might decide to platoon him based on the stats.

 

On that note, the teams would have to be clear about each players intended usage, so mark your platoon players, defensive replacements, pinch runners, lineups vs. lefties and righties etc.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I generally agree with this. In other words, when it comes down to the voting (and we might make an exception for the final power rankings since they will count towards the voting matchups) each team will be able to defend their own team and explain why they have a really good team. In that write up, I'm sure people will use those stats. In addition, people will be able to decide the roles of their players based on the stats. For example, if Jim Thome does really well vs. RHP and horrible vs. LHP, I might decide to platoon him based on the stats.

 

On that note, the teams would have to be clear about each players intended usage, so mark your platoon players, defensive replacements, pinch runners, lineups vs. lefties and righties etc.

 

Just let me know if you want me to do this. I'll be happy to do it, and I think it will be a very useful tool for judgement.

 

Just looking at the rankings from this past week, I was looking at the teams and thinking "Crap, I can't remember much about this guy" and really want to avoid that problem in the future.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Each team needs to keep an excel sheet of their players performance so that not everyone has to go through each player and look up their stats to keep up with how they're doing if they aren't able to watch every game.

 

Stats such as BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, HR, Runs Scored, Stolen bases, UZR, etc

And for pitchers - IP, ERA, Quality Starts, BB:K, etc.

 

If everyone does that, I'll compile a master spreadsheet that has a tab for each player, and then a tab for all pitchers and all hitters, filtered by position, so that we can see who our own league leaders are at each incremental voting.

 

I know we're not using fantasy valuations, but this will at least give us a frame of reference when we are looking at the teams (i.e. Forsyth has a team ERA of 4.2 but his offense is scoring 7.2 runs per game, and his defense has an aggregate UZR of 42).

 

Obviously everyone will value things differently, but I think it will at least give us something to look at rather than having an overload of information.

I think you should just do my spreadsheet for me, since I don't feel like breaking my back doing something like that for a simple redraft.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Each team needs to keep an excel sheet of their players performance so that not everyone has to go through each player and look up their stats to keep up with how they're doing if they aren't able to watch every game.

 

Stats such as BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, HR, Runs Scored, Stolen bases, UZR, etc

And for pitchers - IP, ERA, Quality Starts, BB:K, etc.

 

If everyone does that, I'll compile a master spreadsheet that has a tab for each player, and then a tab for all pitchers and all hitters, filtered by position, so that we can see who our own league leaders are at each incremental voting.

 

I know we're not using fantasy valuations, but this will at least give us a frame of reference when we are looking at the teams (i.e. Forsyth has a team ERA of 4.2 but his offense is scoring 7.2 runs per game, and his defense has an aggregate UZR of 42).

 

Obviously everyone will value things differently, but I think it will at least give us something to look at rather than having an overload of information.

 

I like the stats idea. It will keep everyone at least a little entertained with the redraft. I have no say in this so I'll talk to Dipre later. The only thing is how many people are willing to do this. Since we're doing monthly rankings people might get annoyed at having to look up stats. I personally wouldn't mind and I have the time to do it. It wouldn't be fair to those who don't have as much time like I do though. If Dipre approves I say we vote it out.

[italstallianion]

I've spoken with Dipre about it and he certainly doesn't like it. I don't mind it, but he is strongly against it. I'm sure he'll be on at some point to specifically talk about why he doesn't like it.