Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[italstallianion]

I saw his Breslow pick a few hours ago. While it was certainly a very good pick. I was happy that it wasn't who I planned on taking, and coming from WB, that's a moral victory.

[italstallianion]

It's JE's turn at the moment and he does not appear to be online.

[Will617]

Matt Cain is one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball. I don't think there is a clearer example of a pitcher being the product of his ballpark.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Prick! That is about the 10th time that you have done this to me! Lol!!

 

You must LOVE my team then.

[a700hitter]

You must LOVE my team then.

Let's just swap teams.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Matt Cain is one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball. I don't think there is a clearer example of a pitcher being the product of his ballpark.

 

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[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

It's JE's turn at the moment and he does not appear to be online.

Here.

 

Let me analyze my options.

[italstallianion]

Matt Cain is one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball. I don't think there is a clearer example of a pitcher being the product of his ballpark.

 

 

While I agree that he is overrated and that his numbers are helped by his ballpark, I highly doubt that he is the biggest example of someone who is a mediocre pitcher that looks good because of their ballpark. One could list a lot of west coast starters (SD, SF, Oak, Sea) that would fit that list, and most of them don't have the stuff that Cain has.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

OF Dexter Fowler, $406,000

[italstallianion]

Keeper is up, and I do not believe that he's online at the moment. I'm probably headed to dinner soon as well, but I'll be quick.

[Will617]

While I agree that he is overrated and that his numbers are helped by his ballpark' date=' I highly doubt that he is the biggest example of someone who is a mediocre pitcher that looks good because of their ballpark. One could list a lot of west coast starters (SD, SF, Oak, Sea) that would fit that list, and most of them don't have the stuff that Cain has.[/quote']

 

He's not mediocre, but I think that he's a pitcher who everyone considers to be a definite ace (I've heard people mentioning that he might even be better than Lincecum) and he's not. He's a pitcher whose pitching style fits his home park (and most of his divisions' home parks) very well. I don't feel that the other teams with spacious stadiums have pitchers who have a skillset that fits the park so perfectly, and are rated so highly.

[italstallianion]

He's not mediocre' date=' but I think that he's a pitcher who everyone considers to be a definite ace (I've heard people mentioning that he might even be better than Lincecum) and he's not. He's a pitcher whose pitching style fits his home park (and most of his divisions' home parks) very well. I don't feel that the other teams with spacious stadiums have pitchers who have a skillset that fits the park so perfectly, and are rated so highly.[/quote']

 

 

I just meant that while Cain is overrated, he is overrated in the sense that he's a good starter being labeled a great starter, rather than a mediocre starter being labeled a good starter. In addition, while his skill sets match his ballpark and while he is certainly helped by his ballpark, I wouldn't say that he is a product of his ballpark. I do think that he'd be good on most teams and that he'd at least be a competent 2 starter on a lot of (non AL East) teams, but I wouldn't mention him in the same sentence as Lincecum. Heck, even in this redraft Lincecum was a first round pick and Cain was a 3rd round pick, and Cain is nearly half of the money.

[Keeper]

Chris Iannetta - C ($1.75 Million)

 

Waited too long to get a catcher. I really wanted Ruiz or Molina. Still, Iannetta has talent and could definitely bounce back this year.

[italstallianion]

Haha wow, you weren't online when I posted a few minutes ago and when I checked again you came online. Go figure.

[italstallianion]

Yankees228 is up but he said he was going to be out to dinner, however that he shouldn't be too long. He hadn't made up his mind on a pick yet so he didn't send me one, but he did say that he'd be back in the near future. I also have Jbay's pick so we could get to Flynnatic's pick when Y228 returns.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

We're in round 19 right? That means Flynn's pick after ital makes his two goes to me.

[Keeper]

Breslow is a solid pick. I was targeting him. He is effective against lefties and righties. Fowler has a lot of talent. Larry Bowa thinks he's going to put it all together this year.

 

Matt Cain is one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball. I don't think there is a clearer example of a pitcher being the product of his ballpark.

 

On the contrary, Cain pitches very well outside of San Fran. Clayton Richard might be the best example of being a product of his ballpark.

[yankees228]

Carlos Quentin, OF (3.2 M)

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Stick Fowler in LF by the way.

[Dipre]

Cain may be overrated, because even though he has enjoyed a lot of success in the Majors, he doesn't fit the typical mold of dominant pitcher, however, he's not a product of his park.

 

Over the last three years:

 

Home: 3.12 ERA.

 

Away: 3.42 ERA.

 

That's a perfectly acceptable split.

 

Also, it's a good idea to note that NL West is not entirely made up of pitcher's park. Petco and SF are pitcher's park, but Dodger (since they reduced foul lines) has played right around leagues average, and Arizona is a launching pad. He also doesn't only pitch in NL West stadiums.

 

Anyways, a lot of his success has to do with his career BABIP numbers (almost always below league average which suggests a trend), and ability to induce weak contact and keep the ball in the park (a 7.0 career HR/FB% for an extreme flyball pitcher is remarkable).

[Will617]

Breslow is a solid pick. I was targeting him. He is effective against lefties and righties. Fowler has a lot of talent. Larry Bowa thinks he's going to put it all together this year.

 

 

 

On the contrary, Cain pitches very well outside of San Fran. Clayton Richard might be the best example of being a product of his ballpark.

 

I'm not sure that Clayton Richard's skillset is that suited towards San Diego's ballpark. He gets a decent number of ground balls, he isn't an extreme fly ball pitcher like Cain.

Cain's home ERA is 3.19, and his away ERA is 3.76. Meanwhile, his FIP and xFIP is nearly identical, as is his batted ball profile (although a few of his line drives away turn into grounders). While 3.76 is not a terrible ERA to have, I wouldn't say that it is pitching well.

[italstallianion]

JBay wants Jason Motte RP

 

Flynnatic is up.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Cain may be overrated, because even though he has enjoyed a lot of success in the Majors, he doesn't fit the typical mold of dominant pitcher, however, he's not a product of his park.

 

Over the last three years:

 

Home: 3.12 ERA.

 

Away: 3.42 ERA.

 

That's a perfectly acceptable split.

 

Also, it's a good idea to note that NL West is not entirely made up of pitcher's park. Petco and SF are pitcher's park, but Dodger (since they reduced foul lines) has played right around leagues average, and Arizona is a launching pad. He also doesn't only pitch in NL West stadiums.

 

Anyways, a lot of his success has to do with his career BABIP numbers (almost always below league average which suggests a trend), and ability to induce weak contact and keep the ball in the park (a 7.0 career HR/FB% for an extreme flyball pitcher is remarkable).

 

......not even gonna mention Coors here?!? Balls fly out of Coors like crazy. According to ESPN's Park Factors for 2010, Coors was 2nd as far as being hitter friendly in regards to the long ball, and first in regards to hits and runs.

[Will617]

Anyways' date=' a lot of his success has to do with his career BABIP numbers (almost always below league average which suggests a trend), and ability to induce weak contact and keep the ball in the park (a 7.0 career HR/FB% for an extreme flyball pitcher is remarkable).[/quote']

 

The reason his BABIP is low is because he's an extreme fly ball pitcher. The reason his HR/FB% is low is because he plays in San Francisco. Keep in mind that HR/FB% is the *percentage of fly balls that go for home runs, so the fact that he gets a lot of fly balls should not affect what the ratio is.

[italstallianion]

Stick Fowler in LF by the way.

 

 

There isn't an LF section on the chart, there's just 3 OF sections and 4 Bench sections. You can choose to put players whereever you want on your clubhouse post.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

That's right, I meant in a starting OF spot. But I guess it doesn't really matter in here.

[italstallianion]

Point taken, anyway Flynnatic is up and he doesn't appear to be online at the moment. He has 1 pick, then after I make 2 picks, the next pick goes to JE to balance out the earlier trade.

[Dipre]

The reason his BABIP is low is because he's an extreme fly ball pitcher. The reason his HR/FB% is low is because he plays in San Francisco. Keep in mind that HR/FB% is the *percentage of fly balls that go for home runs' date=' so the fact that he gets a lot of fly balls should not affect what the ratio is.[/quote']

 

Most flyball pitchers have below-average BABIP's, but not to that extent.

 

If you're giving up a lot of fly-balls, you're bound to give a higher percentage of gopher balls than your typical non-flyball pitcher (See: Milton, Eric) , because usually fly ball pitchers give up more long flyballs, and less infield fly balls, which is the strange thing with Cain, who, as i said, induces a lot of weak contact (10% infield fly ball for his career).

[italstallianion]

Cmon Flynnatic, you only have 1 pick to make.

[Flynnatic10]

sorry, just got back from helping my mom understand a nook at Barnes and Noble. Pick will be coming.