Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[Will617]

You forgot Mr. Jeter.

[Flynnatic10]

Jed Lowrie Utility: Jed Lowrie was taken in the 10th round, and was the latest pick taken of anyone I labeled a reach. He has the ability to be very good, but makes JD Drew and AJ Burnett look durable. He's the switch hitting (and skinnier) Nick Johnson. I don't think he's a good fit for a starting role and while his salary is good, I don't see him being worthy of a first half pick and I doubt that he would be taken this early if this was a Yankee fan board.

 

I didn't even see Lowrie get drafted. :dunno:

Anyway, i only had 1 out of the 10 reach spots. Good i guess.

[italstallianion]

You forgot Mr. Jeter.

 

 

For the record, at the beginning I said that to avoid bias, I'm not including any of my picks in EITHER, the reaches or the steals categories. And in all fairness, Jeter was taken at the end of the 13th round, and the latest reach pick I posted was Jed Lowrie, who was picked in the 10th round. In addition, outside of Lowrie, all of the other reaches were in rounds 6 and earlier.

[italstallianion]

I'm waiting for Dipre to make his damn pick (he's online but he changed his mind on who he wanted) and after I make his pick and RSFFL's pick, I'll post my "Steals" list. I have the list ready but I'm going to post it in a bit.

[EXman369]

Ervin Sanatana was a big mistake but other then that i believe the rest of my draft has been solid, i just didn't realize how easy it would be to stay under the cap i would have much rather had CC but it being my first redraft i did not know if i would be able to afford him

[italstallianion]

Plus, I feel like it's a lot easier to find reaches than it is steals. The reaches list took be a couple of minutes, whereas I spent a while on the "Steals" list.

[italstallianion]

Dipre wants Reid Brignac 2B/SS

 

and RSFFL wants Joel Peralta RP

[italstallianion]

Anyway Forsyth is up next.

[Flynnatic10]

I'm waiting for Dipre to make his damn pick (he's online but he changed his mind on who he wanted) and after I make his pick and RSFFL's pick' date=' I'll post my "Steals" list. I have the list ready but I'm going to post it in a bit.[/quote']

 

Steals please!

[italstallianion]

I'm in the process of typing it. I have 2 TS pages up so I can keep an eye on incoming picks and that I can type my steals list. Keep in mind that it's just my opinion.

[yankees228]

Nice list Ital. I'll respond to the part about CC.

 

"CC Sabathia SP: This pick is not a reach because of talent, as nobody would deny that Sabathia is a great pitcher. However, he costs $23 million, enough for 5.22 draft spots and 20.9% of the entire payroll. He was taken in the 4th round to a team that already had 2 great pitchers, and went to a Yankee fan. I doubt that if there weren't any other Yankee fans in the redraft, that Sabathia would have been taken for a little while longer."

 

Me being a Yankee fan had absolutely nothing to do with this selection. When it comes to these things, I'm completely unbiased. With that being said, I think it was a good pick and I took him at the right time. At the time he was definitely the best pitcher available, and as I suspected, he would not have made it back to me. Drafting CC in that spot, despite already having two pitchers, was done for this reason - in these drafts many of the teams are going to be neck and neck. If you have a clear advantage over every other team in one area, that should really help your team stand out, and at the moment, I believe I have that in my starting rotation (mainly in my top three).

 

As for the salary implications, you have to spend your money at some point, and I found this to be the appropriate time. In this area, I think it would only be considered a reach if it was to hinder me later in the draft, which it hasn't up to this point.

 

Ital, I know you're not trying to call me out or anything, so I'm just using your list as a discussion point as it relates to the player I drafted.

[yankees228]

Ervin Sanatana was a big mistake but other then that i believe the rest of my draft has been solid' date=' i just didn't realize how easy it would be to stay under the cap i would have much rather had CC but it being my first redraft i did not know if i would be able to afford him[/quote']

 

And this is a good point. It's very easy to stay under the cap, which is why teams should not hesitate to spend money. If someone drafts the best player available at a particular position, even if they have the highest salary of the remaining players at that position, I don't see it as being a reach (unless, of course, the person drafting this player can't afford him).

[italstallianion]

Anyway since Dipre is taking a while, I'm going to get started on my steals list.

 

 

Steals:

 

Justin Upton OF: This is in my opinion, the steal of the draft. Granted, the OF market is very deep, and I don't think he's worthy of a first round pick, but Upton was picked towards the end of the 5th round. He's a corner OF that can pretty much do it all and costs next to nothing.

 

Kendry Morales 1B: While choosing a 1B as a steal doesn't sound like my ideals, Kendry Morales was taken in the 6th round and was the 12th 1B taken, even after Daric Barton. He's a switch hitting power 1B and costs very little. I'd have taken him before at least half of the 1B that were previously taken.

 

Max Scherzer SP: This might be the toughest "steal" to defend, and to be honest I had trouble finding 10 steals, but I believe in this pitcher. He has better raw stuff than a lot of starters, and was taken in the 7th round, and I think was the 38th SP taken.

 

Nick Swisher OF: Nick Swisher was taken in the 9th round and is a very good hitter. He didn't cost that much (especially considering that he's a Yankee) and has continued to live up to his potential in Coors East. Not surprisingly he went to a Yankee fan.

 

Josh Johnson SP: He was a 2nd round pick, but he was the 7th pitcher taken overall. He was cheap at around 3.75 million, and I would have taken him over most of the 6 pitchers taken before him, perhaps even over the one that I took in David Price. He has great stuff and a big a** frame and shouldn't wear down any time soon.

 

Matt Cain SP: I'll admit that I am a little biased towards Scherzer and Cain since they were both on my fantasy team, but Matt Cain costs about 4 million and was taken towards the end of the 3rd round, as the 17th pitcher taken overall. I really wanted him and would have made him my pick instead of Tommy Hanson if he reached it to me.

 

Andrew Mccutchen OF: I really like this pick because he is a CF that can do it all. He has star potential and is very cheap, and for a 5th round pick, one could do a lot worse.

 

Carlos Santana C: He was taken near the end of the 5th round, and showed great potential before getting injured. He's cheap and should easily rebound. He was the 5th catcher taken overall.

 

David Wright 3B: Wright did cost a fair amount and was taken in the 3rd round, but there's no question that he is a top of the line 3B. His numbers are hurt by the Mets ballpark and the fact that the Mets suck so he has to carry the entire team, but he is a top pick to build your franchise around.

 

Hanley Ramirez SS: Attitude problems aside, Hanley is a star player and usually the 2nd player taken in fantasy drafts. The SS market is incredibly thin, so that should have propelled Hanley Ramirez up the pick ladder, but he was taken with the 13th pick in the draft.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Wait. Is it my turn or Dipres? I got confused from your last post

[italstallianion]

Nice list Ital. I'll respond to the part about CC.

 

"CC Sabathia SP: This pick is not a reach because of talent, as nobody would deny that Sabathia is a great pitcher. However, he costs $23 million, enough for 5.22 draft spots and 20.9% of the entire payroll. He was taken in the 4th round to a team that already had 2 great pitchers, and went to a Yankee fan. I doubt that if there weren't any other Yankee fans in the redraft, that Sabathia would have been taken for a little while longer."

 

Me being a Yankee fan had absolutely nothing to do with this selection. When it comes to these things, I'm completely unbiased. With that being said, I think it was a good pick and I took him at the right time. At the time he was definitely the best pitcher available, and as I suspected, he would not have made it back to me. Drafting CC in that spot, despite already having two pitchers, was done for this reason - in these drafts many of the teams are going to be neck and neck. If you have a clear advantage over every other team in one area, that should really help your team stand out, and at the moment, I believe I have that in my starting rotation (mainly in my top three).

 

As for the salary implications, you have to spend your money at some point, and I found this to be the appropriate time. In this area, I think it would only be considered a reach if it was to hinder me later in the draft, which it hasn't up to this point.

 

Ital, I know you're not trying to call me out or anything, so I'm just using your list as a discussion point as it relates to the player I drafted.

 

 

 

The problem with calling someone's pick a "reach" is that a lot of people get defensive and think that I insulted them, in which I did not. In a lot of cases, people have to reach in order to make sure that they get a particular player. For example, WhiskeyBreath wouldn't take nearly as many people's picks if the people reached and picked them up a bit earlier. All that matters is the end product.

 

What I meant about you being a Yankee fan is that I doubt that most of these Red Sox fans would have seen Sabathia in the same light as you do, in terms of being worth the money. In addition, I believe that there is a difference between spending 23 million on a middle of the order bat at a tough position to fill (someone like Tulowitzki or Hamilton if they cost that much money) and spending 23 million on a starting pitcher, since there should be about 75 SP's drafted in all, plus however many SP's are put in the bullpen. So I felt that due to the really deep SP market, the salary crunch that Sabathia would put on a $110 million roster, and that only 1-2 other Yankee fans in the redraft would have considered getting Sabathia at that point, that it was a reach. In addition, one of the Yankee fans wasn't in the position to spend that much money considering some of the other high priced players he had.

 

I do appreciate your docile response, since a pick being labeled a "reach" isn't an insult. I'd rather have my entire roster be "reaches" than to miss out on everyone that I wanted because I thought they'd be a reach at the time of the draft.

 

In addition, just because I didn't include any of my picks in the list, doesn't mean that none of my picks belong as "steals" or "reaches". I'm clearly guilty of reaching as well. I just didn't put any of my picks because I knew the logic behind why I drafted them which would obscure my listings, not to mention I'd look like an a****** if I listed any of my picks as "steals"

[italstallianion]

Wait. Is it my turn or Dipres? I got confused from your last post

 

 

You're up Forsyth.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Alright. I completely forgot about this guy, and really think he's going to turn it on soon. Very sweet swing.

 

Travis Snider, OF, $405,800

[italstallianion]

A700 is up next I believe.

[Divinity]

Justin Morneau 1B: There are a few reasons why I considered this pick a reach. First off was the $14 million salary (3.18 draft spots and 12.7% of the total payroll), but what scares me more is that he had a season ending concussion (which f***** my fantasy team) and that Morneau went to a team that already had a high priced first baseman. Even in a regular fantasy draft this 5th round pick would have worried me, but in a salary capped league with another more expensive 1B, I think it was a reach. However, Divinity turned Pujols into Lincecum which shed salary and upgraded his team, so it worked out in the end.

 

There was method behind the madness, I intended on trading Pujols once trades were allowed before drafting Morneau. So I knew I'd need a replacement and if I waited he could've been selected before my next turn, Will was actually going to pick him a pick ahead of me before opting to take Jayson Werth instead. Considering the other two 1B left on the board with similiar production were Texeira (20m) and Howard (19m) paying 14m for Morneau didn't seem so bad. I'm not too worried about any lingering effects from the concussion, most people recover from them without issue.

[Jasonbay44]

I'm about to leave and just in case my pick comes up I'm going to send you my picks again, Ital. By the way thanks for making my pick yesterday.

[yankees228]

The problem with calling someone's pick a "reach" is that a lot of people get defensive and think that I insulted them, in which I did not. In a lot of cases, people have to reach in order to make sure that they get a particular player. For example, WhiskeyBreath wouldn't take nearly as many people's picks if the people reached and picked them up a bit earlier. All that matters is the end product.

 

What I meant about you being a Yankee fan is that I doubt that most of these Red Sox fans would have seen Sabathia in the same light as you do, in terms of being worth the money. In addition, I believe that there is a difference between spending 23 million on a middle of the order bat at a tough position to fill (someone like Tulowitzki or Hamilton if they cost that much money) and spending 23 million on a starting pitcher, since there should be about 75 SP's drafted in all, plus however many SP's are put in the bullpen. So I felt that due to the really deep SP market, the salary crunch that Sabathia would put on a $110 million roster, and that only 1-2 other Yankee fans in the redraft would have considered getting Sabathia at that point, that it was a reach. In addition, one of the Yankee fans wasn't in the position to spend that much money considering some of the other high priced players he had.

 

I do appreciate your docile response, since a pick being labeled a "reach" isn't an insult. I'd rather have my entire roster be "reaches" than to miss out on everyone that I wanted because I thought they'd be a reach at the time of the draft.

 

In addition, just because I didn't include any of my picks in the list, doesn't mean that none of my picks belong as "steals" or "reaches". I'm clearly guilty of reaching as well. I just didn't put any of my picks because I knew the logic behind why I drafted them which would obscure my listings, not to mention I'd look like an a****** if I listed any of my picks as "steals"

 

Fair enough. You didn't offend me at all, and I don't mind criticism.

 

There was at least one Yankees' fan and one Red Sox's fan who commented after my pick that they wanted CC as their next selection.

 

Anyway, I see your overall point about CC, and I would agree if he had been someone's one (or maybe even two) in that spot. But I think the value of getting him to be my number three, and solidify what I believe to be the best top three of all the teams in this, was worth it.

[italstallianion]

No problem, go for it dude.

[a700hitter]

Mike Napoli ($3,600,000)

[SoxFanForsyth]

Hellickson in the 5th was definitely a reach. I'll agree with that.

 

I am excited about seeing what he can do, though. In his limited role last year, he threw great, so I think he'll be a very solid pitcher, just hope he can do it this year.

 

The reason I picked him in the 5th was because I had just seen Hanson go, and I banked on him going much later. Kind of panicked, had no pitching, and thought for the money, he had a ton of upside.

 

Time will tell. I could look like a genius or a complete fool by year end.

[italstallianion]

Fair enough. You didn't offend me at all, and I don't mind criticism.

 

There was at least one Yankees' fan and one Red Sox's fan who commented after my pick that they wanted CC as their next selection.

 

Anyway, I see your overall point about CC, and I would agree if he had been someone's one (or maybe even two) in that spot. But I think the value of getting him to be my number three, and solidify what I believe to be the best top three of all the teams in this, was worth it.

 

 

One could argue that I was a bit biased because my original strategy from day 1 was to save a lot of money with the best available cheap players and then use one of my last picks on Sabathia because I didn't think that anyone would have spent that much money on a SP that early. Oh how plans change throughout the redraft.

 

Besides, I'm sure that one could come up with at least another 10 "reaches" and this was just my opinion. It's not like there's a rule whereby all of the picks that I thought were reaches had to count against the teams that drafted them. I'm sure that plenty of people would argue that some of my picks belonged there too.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Mike Napoli ($3' date='600,000)[/b']

 

I had his name typed out with salary and everything, then changed to Snider.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Craig Breslow - RP ($.425M)

[yankees228]

One could argue that I was a bit biased because my original strategy from day 1 was to save a lot of money with the best available cheap players and then use one of my last picks on Sabathia because I didn't think that anyone would have spent that much money on a SP that early. Oh how plans change throughout the redraft.

 

Besides, I'm sure that one could come up with at least another 10 "reaches" and this was just my opinion. It's not like there's a rule whereby all of the picks that I thought were reaches had to count against the teams that drafted them. I'm sure that plenty of people would argue that some of my picks belonged there too.

 

Yup, that's all reasonable. Most people wouldn't even want to post that list and set themselves up for criticism, so I give you credit on that front. These lists are simply meant for discussion, and nothing else. I would hope that people realize that.

 

And thanks for the kudos on the Swisher selection.

[a700hitter]

Craig Breslow - RP ($.425M)

Prick! That is about the 10th time that you have done this to me! Lol!!

[yankees228]

I'm going to eat dinner now, and I'm not positive about who I want to pick, so if it gets to me in the next 20-30 minutes, just hang tight and I'll make my pick shortly.