Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Lol just post it now yrtb. Cat's out of the bag.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Honestly, I'd rather reach badly for someone I really want (assuming my affection is justified) than risk letting them slip away. Like Barton.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I just see a huge ceiling for Hellickson, and he's super cheap.

 

I've got a strategy behind all this, too.

[yrtb]

In no particular order

 

Steals

Pick #21: Josh Johnson - I was expecting him to go top 5, in fact he went #1 in the last redraft I did

Pick #34: Kevin Youkilis - Probably a top 5 first basemen in the league when you factor in defense - and has the versatility to play 3B as well

Pick #38: Jered Weaver - Flat out beast, top 10 pitcher in baseball IMO, and not a big salary either

Pick #43: Matt Cain - gives Lincecum a run for his money as best pitcher on the team

Pick #49: CC Sabathia - forget the salary, he is arguably the biggest workhouse in the majors, and he puts up nice numbers in the stacked AL East as well

Pick #53: Mat Latos - Put up fantastic numbers last year and comes with a small price tag

Pick #62: Justin Morneau - another guy who competes to be a top 5 first baseman in the league - he does everything other than steal bases

Pick #63: Chris Carpenter - I hate to compliment myself, but I think he should gone much earlier considering his success the last two years, another potential top 10 pitcher

Pick #71: Justin Upton - steal of the draft IMO, people forgot about him I guess, I did too, but he's a real 5 tool player with a ton of upside

Pick #80: Mark Teixeira - despite his huge salary, he's a fantastic first baseman

 

I know I didn't value salary in as much as I probably should have, I mean a lot of these guys make a lot of money, but I still envisioned them going much earlier

 

Reaches to come soon

[yrtb]

Lol just post it now yrtb. Cat's out of the bag.

 

Sorry for the wait, I had to go down and eat lunch

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Screw your lunch, I'm far more important.

[SoxFanForsyth]

CJ Wilson and Jeremy Hellickson were both reaches for me, for sure. I would have taken Carpenter but I was convinced he was chosen already.

 

I didn't realize that pitchers were going to fly off the board like they did.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Wow I just noticed Morneau was taken lol. Now I have to find someone else.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Screw your lunch' date=' I'm far more important.[/quote']

 

 

CJ Wilson and Jeremy Hellickson were both reaches for me, for sure. I would have taken Carpenter but I was convinced he was chosen already.

 

I didn't realize that pitchers were going to fly off the board like they did.

 

Me either :thumbdown

[italstallianion]

WhiskeyBreath is up, and I didn't get his picks either.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Bruuuutal. I hate waiting.

[italstallianion]

In no particular order

 

Steals

Pick #21: Josh Johnson - I was expecting him to go top 5, in fact he went #1 in the last redraft I did

Pick #34: Kevin Youkilis - Probably a top 5 first basemen in the league when you factor in defense - and has the versatility to play 3B as well

Pick #38: Jered Weaver - Flat out beast, top 10 pitcher in baseball IMO, and not a big salary either

Pick #43: Matt Cain - gives Lincecum a run for his money as best pitcher on the team

Pick #49: CC Sabathia - forget the salary, he is arguably the biggest workhouse in the majors, and he puts up nice numbers in the stacked AL East as well

Pick #53: Mat Latos - Put up fantastic numbers last year and comes with a small price tag

Pick #62: Justin Morneau - another guy who competes to be a top 5 first baseman in the league - he does everything other than steal bases

Pick #63: Chris Carpenter - I hate to compliment myself, but I think he should gone much earlier considering his success the last two years, another potential top 10 pitcher

Pick #71: Justin Upton - steal of the draft IMO, people forgot about him I guess, I did too, but he's a real 5 tool player with a ton of upside

Pick #80: Mark Teixeira - despite his huge salary, he's a fantastic first baseman

 

I know I didn't value salary in as much as I probably should have, I mean a lot of these guys make a lot of money, but I still envisioned them going much earlier

 

Reaches to come soon

 

 

 

I agree that on TALENT, these are all definite steals. I think that the price makes many of them less of steals, and I'm honestly surprised that some of them are drafted at all to this point. I'm not trying to insult anyone that drafted some of these guys, I was just surprised to see that much money shelled out to some very common and deep positions, especially many of the first basemen.

 

And one pick in particular that was a bit riskier than the others was Justin Morneau, who in addition to being a lot of money, had a season ending concussion last year (which f***** up my fantasy team) so I'm a bit worried how he'd do this year.

 

I think that Cain and Justin Upton are two of the biggest steals in my book. Many of the other picks went around where I thought they would (due to high salaries) or went even before I would have expected.

 

If there wasn't a tight salary cap (4.4 million per player average) then I agree that these would ALL be steals.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Tbf though whiskey makes his picks pretty quicky.

[italstallianion]

Yeah, I'm not worried about WhiskeyBreath making his pick on time. He'll be fine.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yeah we're just getting spoiled with the rate of this.

[a700hitter]

And one pick in particular that was a bit riskier than the others was Justin Morneau, who in addition to being a lot of money, had a season ending concussion last year (which f***** up my fantasy team) so I'm a bit worried how he'd do this year.

That would have me concerned too. I remember that Corey Koskie never could make it back from the concussion.

[Will617]

In no particular order

 

Steals

Pick #21: Josh Johnson - I was expecting him to go top 5, in fact he went #1 in the last redraft I did

Pick #34: Kevin Youkilis - Probably a top 5 first basemen in the league when you factor in defense - and has the versatility to play 3B as well

Pick #38: Jered Weaver - Flat out beast, top 10 pitcher in baseball IMO, and not a big salary either

Pick #43: Matt Cain - gives Lincecum a run for his money as best pitcher on the team

Pick #49: CC Sabathia - forget the salary, he is arguably the biggest workhouse in the majors, and he puts up nice numbers in the stacked AL East as well

Pick #53: Mat Latos - Put up fantastic numbers last year and comes with a small price tag

Pick #62: Justin Morneau - another guy who competes to be a top 5 first baseman in the league - he does everything other than steal bases

Pick #63: Chris Carpenter - I hate to compliment myself, but I think he should gone much earlier considering his success the last two years, another potential top 10 pitcher

Pick #71: Justin Upton - steal of the draft IMO, people forgot about him I guess, I did too, but he's a real 5 tool player with a ton of upside

Pick #80: Mark Teixeira - despite his huge salary, he's a fantastic first baseman

 

I know I didn't value salary in as much as I probably should have, I mean a lot of these guys make a lot of money, but I still envisioned them going much earlier

 

Reaches to come soon

 

I think that CC, Carpenter, and Teixeira definitely would get hurt by their salary, and Morneau as well (to a lesser extent). If you don't really consider salary, then you would be shocked that Alex Rodriguez is still on the board. I think you also have to consider where a lot of the pitchers were taken - it's not as if people were taking A.J. Burnett ahead of Weaver, the pitchers drafted around him were Liriano, Gallardo, Greinke, Lee, and Halladay (and Cain as well).

I also think Cain is tremendously overrated, not just by you but by most people.

[yrtb]

Please refrain from talking about people not yet drafted

 

In a 15 team draft with $110 million salary cap, a couple of high salary picks are not going to hurt you, and when you can get a top 10 pitcher or top 5 first baseman in the league after the third round, IMO it will be a steal

 

Weaver went after a few people I thought him better than, and I might overrate Cain and Weaver because they were instrumental parts to me winning my fantasy baseball league last year - I have a habit of overrating people on my fantasy teams

[Keeper]

I'm wondering if a certain someone will go undrafted because of his salary. I'm sure someone will eventually pony up for him.

[italstallianion]

Just try not to get in the habit of talking about players that haven't been drafted yet. The person in question might not be too big of a deal because of how large his salary is, so he might not get drafted at all, but just don't make it a habit, as you don't want to sway the draft in one way or another by reminding people that some people are still around.

[italstallianion]

Please refrain from talking about people not yet drafted

 

In a 15 team draft with $110 million salary cap, a couple of high salary picks are not going to hurt you, and when you can get a top 10 pitcher or top 5 first baseman in the league after the third round, IMO it will be a steal

 

Weaver went after a few people I thought him better than, and I might overrate Cain and Weaver because they were instrumental parts to me winning my fantasy baseball league last year - I have a habit of overrating people on my fantasy teams

 

 

I disagree a bit. Perhaps one top salary expense isn't going to hurt you, but in a $110 million cap, someone like Teixeira is more than 18% of the team salary (for 4% of the roster) and someone like Sabathia is close to 21% of the team salary (for the same 4% of the roster, although Sabathia would play in less games than Teixeira). And if you spend a lot on a few players (which some teams have) then you can be really f***** when it comes to filling out your roster because you won't be nearly as flexible as the teams with money to spare.

 

I just don't think that they may be so wise choices considering the percentage of the overall salary they cost, and how deep the positions they play are. If Troy Tulowitzki was 20+ million, he'd be a hell of a lot more of a steal than Sabathia, Teixeira, Pujols, Morneau etc.

 

Granted, a lot of people have different draft strategies, and I'm not trying to insult anyone for making the picks, I just wouldn't have made those picks at this particular time, or well into the future for that matter.

[Will617]

Please refrain from talking about people not yet drafted

Sorry, my bad.

 

In a 15 team draft with $110 million salary cap' date=' a couple of high salary picks are not going to hurt you, and when you can get a top 10 pitcher or top 5 first baseman in the league after the third round, IMO it will be a steal[/quote']

I think that you have to consider the quality of the other players available at that position. 1B is a position where there are tons of good batters, mostly because 1B are typically people that weren't great on defense. Although I agree that it is not a huge problem to be drafting a few high salary picks, IMO you have a lot less flexibility later on if you have to choose between adding a player for $10M or adding a player for the minimum. But that's just me, I don't know for sure if I'm right and this redraft is really a way of testing my theory.

 

Weaver went after a few people I thought him better than' date=' and I might overrate Cain and Weaver because they were instrumental parts to me winning my fantasy baseball league last year - I have a habit of overrating people on my fantasy teams[/quote']

I think Weaver's a very good pitcher, but I don't think that he was necessarily a steal given the talent drafted around him.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I'm wondering if a certain someone will go undrafted because of his salary. I'm sure someone will eventually pony up for him.

 

I think I know who you're talking about.

[Keeper]

In terms of salary and value, I think the biggest steals were Votto and Longoria.

[SoxFanForsyth]

We'll have to do another Steals/Reach ranking at the ASB and also at the end of the season. Pft. See if Hellickson is still a reach then ya jerk!

[Will617]

In terms of salary and value' date=' I think the biggest steals were Votto and Longoria.[/quote']

 

Ehh, I don't know if I could say that Longoria was a steal. Not because I want to be modest or anything, but because you could pick anyone in the MLB, so while you could definitely go wrong with the first pick, it's hard to say "Dammit, that dude robbed us blind, I knew I should've picked Longoria before him".

[Keeper]

I'm not worried about Teixeira's big salary. The way I figure it I'm still going to be well under the salary cap when it's all said and done, so to me he was definitely worth every penny.

[Keeper]

Ehh' date=' I don't know if I could say that Longoria was a steal. Not because I want to be modest or anything, but because you could pick anyone in the MLB, so while you could definitely go wrong with the first pick, it's hard to say "Dammit, that dude robbed us blind, I knew I should've picked Longoria before him".[/quote']

 

I'm not saying he was steal at #1 overall. I'm just saying that for under $1 million, you get incredible value with him. Same goes for Votto.

[Will617]

I'm not saying he was steal at #1 overall. I'm just saying that for under $1 million' date=' you get incredible value with him. Same goes for Votto.[/quote']

 

Oh, sure, but that could be said of a lot of players.

[italstallianion]

Cmon WhiskeyBreath, you can do it!!