Bad first impression but I have to let it out

[GoBruins2011]

We won a WS in large part because of these guys

 

Its a two year contract for fairly small money, not a big deal

 

Again he's a two year contract and was adequate in his first year

 

You're a dumbass if you think Lars Anderson had anything to do with signing Teixiera

 

He was traded for two insignificant prospects and has only had 19 AB. Did I mention he's 25 and a catcher? Meaning offensively catchers develop later

 

He's a mop-up man, keep your pants on

 

He was a bust, every GM drafts a lot of busts. In fact the MAJORITY of picks are busts

 

It has been one year, look at his track record

 

We have a ONE year team option every year, no multi-year deal was signed

 

Bad trade, not every one works out

 

Was signed for one year at little cost, didn't work out, move on

 

You really have to dig into the BENCH moves?

 

Gave up basically nothing for him, a below average 1B come on

 

You don't watch much baseball do you? Lowrie was awesome, Kalish is a ROOKIE. "Mackey Sasser" had 19 AB...

 

Alex Gonzalez blows. Also, f*** you

 

Am I to take you serious? I was pro Beckett and Lowell in point 1. You spun it so I was anti those 2. Wakefield recieved a 2 year deal. Alex makes less errors and hit more homeruns then Scutaro. Your a jerkoff. Then again he's from New York the breed some real smart folks down there so yea.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Am I to take you serious? I was pro Beckett and Lowell in point 1. You spun it so I was anti those 2. Wakefield recieved a 2 year deal. Alex makes less errors and hit more homeruns then Scutaro. Your a jerkoff. Then again he's from New York the breed some real smart folks down there so yea.

 

1) My bad for thinking for first point in a 15 point rant against Theo Epstein would actually be something you supported

2) Fair enough on Wakefield, but still it was for a very minuscule amount in the grand scheme of the payroll

3) Errors and HRs? Two of the worst metrics for judging defense and offense. Scutaro put up a 2+ WAR (wins above replacement), Agon had done that once in his career about 7 years ago, doubtful he does what he did this year in the AL East.

4) And I've lived in New England my entire life so...

[GoBruins2011]

1) My bad for thinking for first point in a 15 point rant against Theo Epstein would actually be something you supported

2) Fair enough on Wakefield, but still it was for a very minuscule amount in the grand scheme of the payroll

3) Errors and HRs? Two of the worst metrics for judging defense and offense. Scutaro put up a 2+ WAR (wins above replacement), Agon had done that once in his career about 7 years ago, doubtful he does what he did this year in the AL East.

4) And I've lived in New England my entire life so...

 

I saw Ithica so I thought I would bust your balls a bit. I'm not ranting against Theo Epstein I'm just pointing out he is kind of overrated. And think it's time for the Sox to go in another direction.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I saw Ithica so I thought I would bust your balls a bit. I'm not ranting against Theo Epstein I'm just pointing out he is kind of overrated. And think it's time for the Sox to go in another direction.

 

Agree to disagree but you pointed out a lot of fairly insignificant moves without mentioning say Youkillis, Ortiz, Pedroia, Buchholz, Lester, Bard, Beltre, Okajima, Papelbon, Lowrie, Drew, Beckett which are the players that Theo has drafted/brought in that actually matter (in fact all but lowrie/bard have been all-stars for the Red Sox, which means 10 all-stars and doesn't even include guys like Foulke, Bay, Martinez, Lowell, Schilling, Mueller, Millar and other big name players he has brought in)

[GoBruins2011]

Agree to disagree but you pointed out a lot of fairly insignificant moves without mentioning say Youkillis' date=' Ortiz, Pedroia, Buchholz, Lester, Bard, Beltre, Okajima, Papelbon, Lowrie, Drew, which are the players that Theo has drafted/brought in that actually matter (in fact all but lowrie/bard have been all-stars for the Red Sox)[/quote']

 

Jed Lowrie? Really? Beltre was a great move cause after Penny, Smoltz, Baldelli, Saito, Cameron, Scutaro he was due to get 1 right.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Jed Lowrie? Really? Beltre was a great move cause after Penny' date=' Smoltz, Baldelli, Saito, Cameron, Scutaro he was due to get 1 right.[/quote']

 

Yes Jed Lowrie, the former 1st round pick, touted prospect, and SS who put up a .900+ OPS last season.

 

And again with the low-risk signings, we gave up basically NOTHING for any of those players and got rid of them when they didn't work out. It's not like we can fill every hole with a bonafide all-star FA. You have to take some low-risk gambles. EVERY SINGLE TEAM DOES THIS, if they were such a sure thing they would have cost prospects/big dollars

[Palodios]

Jed Lowrie? Really? Beltre was a great move cause after Penny' date=' Smoltz, Baldelli, Saito, Cameron, Scutaro he was due to get 1 right.[/quote']

 

You really need to get your facts straight. Scutaro did everything he was expected to do, offensively and defensively, all while fighting agonizing injuries at the same time. And no one had a f***ing clue that Al-gon was going to hit that many home runs, NO ONE, so don't pretend you have magical fortune-telling skills. Lowrie-when healthy-- has been an absolute monster at the plate. Had he played a full season in 2010, he'd be in the 30 HR range.

 

Saito was fine, Baldelli, Penny, Smoltz were low-cost with potential for high reward that didn't happen. Cameron was a bad move, but he was the best OF available for less than 70 million.

[SoxSport]

I changed my mind. You know what this team needs to do? Say f*** Crawford' date=' and get Lee.[/quote']

 

Now you're talkin'. It's about pitching. The Giants know that. So do the Yankees and the Rays. Get Lee, Greinke, Soriano, or whoever is available. Forget about Crawford or Werth.

[GoBruins2011]

Now you're talkin'. It's about pitching. The Giants know that. So do the Yankees and the Rays. Get Lee' date=' Greinke, Soriano, or whoever is available. Forget about Crawford or Werth.[/quote']

 

Soriano would be great. He can get people out for the most part.

[mvp 78]

Soriano would be great. He can get people out for the most part.

 

"For the most part," Paps can get guys too. I'm definitely not sold on Soriano being a big market guy.

[GoBruins2011]

"For the most part' date='" Paps can get guys too. I'm definitely not sold on Soriano being a big market guy.[/quote']

 

Paps would still be the closer. We need more then 1 set up guy. Atchinson and Okijima belong serving hotdogs in the cumberland farms section not pitching in games the Redsox are leading.

[italstallianion]

If we weren't willing to give up peanuts (and taking on his $7 million salary) to get him from the Braves, then I don't see us giving up more money and a high draft pick for him.

[mvp 78]

Paps would still be the closer. We need more then 1 set up guy. Atchinson and Okijima belong serving hotdogs in the cumberland farms section not pitching in games the Redsox are leading.

 

Atchison is cheap and performed reasonably well for a long reliever type. Not everyone on the team will be an allstar. If he's the 11th pitcher on your squad, it's not worth complaining about. Oki is pretty much toast at this point.

[BSN07]

Soriano would be great. He can get people out for the most part.

 

Fairly certain he wants to close. That and I believe the long term health of his arm to be a worry.

[BSN07]

With Victor Martinez and John Buck off the market, the Red Sox are turning their attention to "a number of catching contingencies" including free agent Rod Barajas, reports FOXSports.com's Jon Paul Morosi. Barajas would presumably share time with, or be a veteran backup for, Jarrod Saltalamacchia in Boston.

 

If the plan now is for a platoon, wouldn't it be just as good to bring Tek back for like 3 or 4M next season? He's ok with the role now. And I can't really think of anyone better I'd rather Salty be learning from. Just saying if it' not an elite C or at the very least a starting Catcher their bringing in, I don't see a reason not bring Tek back. If anything it's a minimal risk move that might nurse some of the fans back to health as they let their other FA's walk

[Palodios]

The FO needs to bite the bullet and go for a defensive catcher. Barajas threw out 15% of base stealers last season. That is abysmal. Its not worth a .700 OPS.

 

As far as Varitek, I think there is something they know about him. They didn't offer him arbitration, despite that he'd only make 3.6 million or so with a 20% raise. Its too bad he probably won't retire a Red Sox, but catchers never do age well.

[jacksonianmarch]

If the plan now is for a platoon' date=' wouldn't it be just as good to bring Tek back for like 3 or 4M next season? He's ok with the role now. And I can't really think of anyone better I'd rather Salty be learning from. Just saying if it' not an elite C or at the very least a starting Catcher their bringing in, I don't see a reason not bring Tek back. If anything it's a minimal risk move that might nurse some of the fans back to health as they let their other FA's walk [/quote']

 

Rod Barajas? Man, he has a good arm and all, but he is stonehands behind the plate and is 35 yrs old. And, aside from some power, he really doesnt bring anything else offensively. I would absolutely love it if Barajas was part of a Fenway platoon, or even better, your starting catcher

[BSN07]

I'd rather they get Torrealba or Molina for that matter. I'm not too high on Olivo. Maybe there is a chance the Rox make Ianetta available.

[PineRider]

Lowrie-when healthy-- has been an absolute monster at the plate. Had he played a full season in 2010' date=' he'd be in the 30 HR range.[/quote']

 

Agreed.

 

I've always defended Lowrie to my buds, think he has some serious potential, even if they don't see it, and flat-out think the guy sucks.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno. But I've been impressed with Lowrie's mental game. Kind of an intangible quality, but he seems to have a strong mind at the plate, patience and a good eye, which IMHO, go a long way in the maturation of a good hitter. Jed went to Stanford, so I guess it makes a little sense that he's a sharp cookie, and I think he's got a nice glove to boot.

 

And enough with the "if he stays healthy" crap that naysayers seem to gravitate towards (not you Palodios, I read you correctly). I had mono when I was younger, it sucks and I had to spend an extra year in college because of the classes I had to drop out from it. But mono came and went, and it will for Jed. He'll be alright.

 

If he ends up at 3B on starting day, I'm stoked.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cmon now, the guy has a good 171ABs and all of a sudden you can extrapolate it for a full year? Remember, Shane Spencer hit 10HR in a month before and he wasnt anything but a career 4th OFer. I think Lowrie has shown he can hit, but you cannot say he would be a 30HR hitter since he only played 55 games and hasnt shown nearly as much power through his minor league seasons

[GoBruins2011]

Cmon now' date=' the guy has a good 171ABs and all of a sudden you can extrapolate it for a full year? Remember, Shane Spencer hit 10HR in a month before and he wasnt anything but a career 4th OFer. I think Lowrie has shown he can hit, but you cannot say he would be a 30HR hitter since he only played 55 games and hasnt shown nearly as much power through his minor league seasons[/quote']

 

He was booed a season or 2 ago when he was the starting SS in April. Then got hurt then got mono. He is too incomplete to get a correct read on I agree with you 100 %

[SoxSport]

Wake me up if Lowrie gets through spring training healthy. That will be the first step. Salty, too.

[Palodios]

The only other time he was healthy was in mid 2008. He was a .800 hitter his first two months, until he hurt his wrist, and played hurt. Every time he's played healthy, he's been a mid to high tier shortstop. I don't think a 20+ HR season is out of the question for him. Its a simple matter of if he can stay healthy.