Bad first impression but I have to let it out

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

CF Jacoby Ellsbury

LF Carl Crawford

2B Dustin Pedroia

1B Kevin Youkilis

DH David Ortiz

3B Adrian Beltre

RF Nancy Drew

SS The cuban guy

C Wagner

 

Atleast they can compete with Tampa with that lineup.

 

Lol you would.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

What do you mean "at least they can compete with Tampa with that lineup". Last years lineup was definitely capable of beating the Rays.

[GoBruins2011]

What do you mean "at least they can compete with Tampa with that lineup". Last years lineup was definitely capable of beating the Rays.

 

Yea the Rays basically made a mockery of our lineup and Bullpen. Crawford puts you over the top but I know they won't do that cause Ryan Kalish will hit 300 with 30 HR's and 120 RBI's

[italstallianion]

CF Jacoby Ellsbury

LF Carl Crawford

2B Dustin Pedroia

1B Kevin Youkilis

DH David Ortiz

3B Adrian Beltre

RF Nancy Drew

SS The cuban guy

C Wagner

 

Atleast they can compete with Tampa with that lineup.

 

 

 

You mean that the Dominican guy isn't good enough? Or that a South American guy wouldn't be good enough?

[GoBruins2011]

Lol you would.

 

Concidering it was bolded the cuban guy? What do you mean I would? Cause you disagree with my points it means I'd forget the guys name?

[GoBruins2011]

You mean that the Dominican guy isn't good enough? Or that a South American guy wouldn't be good enough?

 

I thought he was from Cuba? Whats his name so I cab further research it.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Is GoBruins a former poster?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Concidering it was bolded the cuban guy? What do you mean I would? Cause you disagree with my points it means I'd forget the guys name?

 

Relax there buddy. I don't remember me saying I disagree with your lineup. I put that because instead of putting his name you referred to him as the cuban guy.

[GoBruins2011]

Is GoBruins a former poster?

 

I think your the 3rd person to imply that. But no.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Is GoBruins a former poster?

 

He claims he's not but you never know.

[GoBruins2011]

Relax there buddy. I don't remember me saying I disagree with your lineup. I put that because instead of putting his name you referred to him as the cuban guy.

 

Thats cause he is Cuban. And I want him to start cause I heard he catches the ball and can actually throw the ball 90 plus feet on a fly. You know, something Scutaro can't do.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Thats cause he is Cuban. And I want him to start cause I heard he catches the ball and can actually throw the ball 90 plus feet on a fly. You know' date=' something Scutaro can't do.[/quote']

 

I never said he wasn't cuban. All I did was bold it and you assumed I disagreed with your lineup. Of course everyone is better than Scutaro. He's a piece of s***

[GoBruins2011]

I never said he wasn't cuban. All I did was bold it and you assumed I disagreed with your lineup. Of course everyone is better than Scutaro. He's a piece of s***

 

As a person he may not be. But all my years of watching baseball he's sligtly worse then Lugo out there. Never thought i'd see that.

[a700hitter]

This is not ranting about Victor by any stretch just think it's a fair point.

 

Theo Epstein is a overrated big market GM. Would be great for the Pirates job.

 

Who ever told him you don't have to hit the f***ing ball to score runs is not in touch with the AL East. This is ******** on many levels. His free agent signings have been mind boggling and awful as well. Lets take a look at Mr Epsteins error's in judgement since after the 05 season.

 

1. Cried like a women when they dealt Hanley for Beckett and Lowell. Infact he cried so hard that he retired for about a year and Josh and Mike gave it to him good in 07 good times!!

2.Mike Cameron LOL. As the MNF crew says CMON MAN!!

3. Marco stone hands Scutaro what a f*** up he is defensivly.

4. The Tiexiera fiasco his boy Lars Anderson looks like a stud these days. That blunder burried us good ehh?

5. Jarod Saltalamacchia Mr Mackey Sasser himself.

6. Scott Atchinson was horrible then they re-sign him? What the f***edy f***nuts is going on on Yawkee way gentleman?

7. Jason Place where is he these days? I'm still waiting!

8. John Lackey and his robust Fenway era. f***.. just f***.

9. Multi year deal for shakey Wakey. You kidddin' me?

10. Eric Gagne. Shady.

11. John Smoltz. Twin City stuff in Boston just won't fly.

12. Rocco Baldelli. Clutch move

13. Kotchman shakes head.

14. Ryan Kalish/Cameron platoon Jed Lowrie at the hot corner Mackey Sasser catching. Is this Boston? Or am I in Oakland?

15. Pitching and defense!! Run prevention!! Great defense we will catch everything! But we will not bring back our best defender in Alex Gonzalez at SS instead what we will do is pay more money for a utility man.

 

 

Now I know the Theo lovers will sworm me right now but I don't care. It's just my opinion and it will not change. It's sad to see such a drop off in production from the entire front office. But thats fine cause they won't get a dime of business from me until I start getting a bang for my buck again. And as the ratings show I'm not alone on that.

He makes a number of good points. He forgot to mention Brad Penny and Jeremy Hermida.

[GoBruins2011]

He makes a number of good points. He forgot to mention Brad Penny and Jeremy Hermida.

 

LOL!! I forgot about those.

[italstallianion]

What about John Smoltz?

[bsox0407]

What about John Smoltz?

 

11.

[example1]

1. Schilling Manny Ortiz. You know run scoring.

 

2. Big drops in ratings noone wants to watch these dudes.

 

1. How'd they do with the run scoring last year?

 

2. The ratings drop was due to the injuries and not being in contention. Take Pedroia, Ellsbury and Youkilis out of the lineup and let's see how most teams do with ratings.

 

So far your argument sounds like more of a gripe session than anything useful. Feel free to gripe all you want, just don't expect a whole lot of interest from most posters here.

[WhiskeyBreath]

To be fair about the ratings thing, they were low to start the season, even before all of the injuries.

[example1]

Any chance the '10 Sox players had of making a name for themselves died when they had all those injuries.

 

Everyone acknowledges that they need another marquee player. No argument here. What I find absolutely stupid is the idea that they are unaware of this or that they won't do it. They are as interested in ratings (hopefully more interested) than anyone here is.

[SoxSport]

Amazing how much bad stuff Theo has done. I guess you have to counter it with all the good stuff.

I know I wouldn't sleep nights if I had given Lackey all that money. And Beckett needs a good kick in the ass.

But Theo is a clever fellow, and he'll put the puzzle together in the next few weeks. That team he assembled last year would have won 100 games without all the injuries.

 

I wish, though, he would learn from Belichick--don't sign or re-sign anybody over 34.That means breaking those umbilical cords and upsetting Henry.

 

One more thing, Theo. It's about pitching pitching pitching. Ask Brian Sabean. The playoffs are about pitching.

[Keeper]

CF Jacoby Ellsbury

LF Carl Crawford

2B Dustin Pedroia

1B Kevin Youkilis

DH David Ortiz

3B Adrian Beltre

RF Nancy Drew

SS The cuban guy

C Wagner

 

Atleast they can compete with Tampa with that lineup.

 

I love Pedroia, but you want him batting third? No thanks. Also, by "the Cuban guy," I assume you mean Jose Iglesias, whose bat is still at least 2 years away from being MLB-ready. And I'd much rather have Werth than Crawford. Mark Wagner has been horrible in AAA so far. Not that I'm endorsing Salty, but you'd be better off going with him.

[Will617]

I wish, though, he would learn from Belichick--don't sign or re-sign anybody over 34.That means breaking those umbilical cords and upsetting Henry.

 

One more thing, Theo. It's about pitching pitching pitching. Ask Brian Sabean. The playoffs are about pitching.

 

I'm not really sure how you can argue Theo is a person that signs too many old players - this is the GM that "cut the cord" with Pedro, Nomar, Manny, Lowe, etc etc...

And I don't think you'd find a single GM that hasn't made a big mistake. Ask Sabean how Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand's working out. Theo makes a lot of small mistakes, IMO his only real big mistake was not signing Teixeira (although the Lackey signing could be a clunker).

[example1]

Amazing how much bad stuff Theo has done. I guess you have to counter it with all the good stuff.

I know I wouldn't sleep nights if I had given Lackey all that money. And Beckett needs a good kick in the ass.

But Theo is a clever fellow, and he'll put the puzzle together in the next few weeks. That team he assembled last year would have won 100 games without all the injuries.

 

I wish, though, he would learn from Belichick--don't sign or re-sign anybody over 34.That means breaking those umbilical cords and upsetting Henry.

 

One more thing, Theo. It's about pitching pitching pitching. Ask Brian Sabean. The playoffs are about pitching.

 

I agree with just about everything here, but, again, don't you think Theo knows that it is about pitching, pitching, pitching? Whether he was right with Lackey or not (and I'm still willing to give it more time before claiming the end of Lackey), the intention was absolutely what you are pointing out here. They refused to deal Buchholz, year after year, but where is the credit when Buchholz looks like a Cy Young caliber pitcher? They are equally resistent to trade Casey Kelly because, well, pitching wins.

 

Mostly I just think that fans who complain about this stuff are spoiled rotten. This is a team that has won two WS in the past 7 years and goes to the playoffs virtually every year (especially if they expand the playoffs).

 

The first argument this logic usually gets is "for the price of the tickets they better make the playoffs every year!" but that's assuming that there is a direct correlation between how much a team spends and getting into the playoffs. To some degree there probably is, but that money needs to be spent wisely, and year after year I would argue that Theo and co have done a fine job of that.

[Keeper]

Justin Upton another 150 strikeouts. I rather see Kalish out there. And I think he's not the answer as well. It is what it is the Boston Redsox have become the new Bluejays good enough for 3rd or 4th place.

 

I wasn't aware that anyone who strikes out 120-150 times is automatically bad.

[SoxSport]

I love Pedroia' date=' but you want him batting third? No thanks. Also, by "the Cuban guy," I assume you mean Jose Iglesias, whose bat is still at least 2 years away from being MLB-ready. And I'd much rather have Werth than Crawford. Mark Wagner has been horrible in AAA so far. Not that I'm endorsing Salty, but you'd be better off going with him.[/quote']

 

They may have no choice but to bat Pedroia 3rd. But I suspect Werth will bat 3rd. Crawford will be in LA. Salty will catch as long as he's healthy and can hit .250. At least against RHP.

Kalish will be in there somewhere. Scutaro will be the SS, Lowrie 3B.

[jacksonianmarch]

They may have no choice but to bat Pedroia 3rd. But I suspect Werth will bat 3rd. Crawford will be in LA. Salty will catch as long as he's healthy and can hit .250. At least against RHP.

Kalish will be in there somewhere. Scutaro will be the SS, Lowrie 3B.

 

Sounds like a dynamite lineup

[BSN07]

My 2 cents,

 

The team may not get all the shiny new toys that sometimes I really hope they get. But if they are making the playoffs and are having a shot at a WS title run 4/5 years, I find it hard to complain at all about anything they do or don't do in running the Franchise. Most fans would give their left nut to be in the playoffs 4/5 seasons. Their track record is consistent, so I see no reason to change my view.

[jacksonianmarch]

Most fans dont have a team spending $170 million a yr on their payroll. And most fans arent as rabid as sox fans. The Red Sox cannot have it both ways. They want their fans to be rabid, be part of Red Sox Nation and continue a sellout streak. They want them to pay top dollar for ticket prices and eat up merchandise like it's candy. But they seem unwilling to pay just a little over or right at market value for 1 more yr than they are comfortable with and expect the fan base to be happy with their frugality. What I find interesting is that they were willing to drop $100 million over 6 yrs for an unknown from Japan but werent willing to go to $50 million over 4 yrs for their proven, middle of the lineup, switch hitting 32 yr old catcher.

[a700hitter]

Most fans dont have a team spending $170 million a yr on their payroll. And most fans arent as rabid as sox fans. The Red Sox cannot have it both ways. They want their fans to be rabid' date=' be part of Red Sox Nation and continue a sellout streak. They want them to pay top dollar for ticket prices and eat up merchandise like it's candy. But they seem unwilling to pay just a little over or right at market value for 1 more yr than they are comfortable with and expect the fan base to be happy with their frugality. What I find interesting is that they were willing to drop $100 million over 6 yrs for an unknown from Japan but werent willing to go to $50 million over 4 yrs for their proven, middle of the lineup, switch hitting 32 yr old catcher.[/quote']

We'll have to see what moves they make, but if they go the cheap stop gap route and let Crawford and Beltre sign elsewhere, miss the playoffs and be out of the race by August fan interest will fall precipitously and Theo may not make it to the other side of the "bridge".

 

Edit: Unless they make a couple of high profile acquisitions, they will just not be a compelling team to watch. Last year, they were not a fun team to watch, even when they were healthy. They played poor fundamental baseball from beginning to end with a bull pen that was a house of horrors. They we're very frustrating to watch. I have always (in good times and bad) bought my tickets the minute they go on sale. One year, I went to the "Christmas at Fenway" event to purchase tickets. I'm going to take a wait and see attitude this season. If a diehard lunatic like me feels this way, that can't be a good sign. In reality, the Sox have not been a compellingly interesting team since Manny and Ortiz anchored the lineup. I love Pedroia and his Laser Show, but nothing compared to the heavy artillery that Ortiz and Manny brought... Nothing.